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Old 03-26-2008, 10:27 PM
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The Mexixans and central americans are not the only ones.

There are plenty of haitians, cubans, chinese, etc.... that perform manual labor.

I hire guys that sit around the home depot now and again and for 100.00, they will work their asses off.

Is there any particular reason why is seems like it's only hispanics?

I never see any blacks or whites sitting there waiting to get picked up.

Can anyone point to a specific reason why it is mostly central american or mexican or are they they flavor of the moment.

Seems to me that this country was built on immigrant labor. Were all those Italian and Irish laborers legal? or were they just the "right" color and no one complained as much?

My parents were cuban and I live in Miami and I can tell you that there are a great many that get here, legally or not, and will not THINK of doing what these other people are willing to do.

I'm making observations, not accusations.

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Old 03-26-2008, 10:33 PM
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That is nonsense. Someone sounds pretty lazy and uninformed

There are VERY clearly defined routes and structures that are within the INS to legalise marriages performed between a US citizen and a non citizen.


... the process exists. It is there, and exists to be used. IF you pay attention, and follow the rules, you can get through it, usually without even an attorney needing to be employed by you.

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Imagine if you could make 5 to 10 times your current salary if you made a trip up north.
Or buy prescription medications for a fraction of the price in the US.
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Old 03-26-2008, 11:08 PM
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Imagine if you could make 5 to 10 times your current salary if you made a trip up north.
Imagine if I could make 5 to 10 times my current salary by dishonest means. But hey, it's not all bad. The wronged will have insurance and get paid. The insurance will cut their earnings some. The cops will have a job. I will spend some of that money thereby stimulating the economy. So what is so bad?
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Do you throw your front door open to any and all who want in or do you have to make sure that you really want them in your house?
i don't want many of the people here that were born here to be here, but unfortunately we don't have the luxury of choosing. there are already many reasons that would cause someone to be denied a visa or permanent status. what criteria would you use?
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there are already many reasons that would cause someone to be denied a visa or permanent status.

what criteria would you use?
What are you referring to? Most of such actions I have seen are because the person has something in their past or that they cannot prove they are an asset to the society.

What is wrong with the current system where we see whether the person is likely to be an asset or a burden?
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That is nonsense. Someone sounds pretty lazy and uninformed

There are VERY clearly defined routes and structures that are within the INS to legalise marriages performed between a US citizen and a non citizen.

He should have checked it FIRST.

One way is go for the K-1 fiancee visa, which allows a 90 day time envelope in which the foreigner is admitted to the USA for the specific purpose to get married in the United States, followed by a time frame of about 2-3 years of living legally with a provisional legal residence card. (Temporary "green card" in effect)....
wow, a visa? that's brilliant, i can't imagine why he didn't just do that! if you wouldn't mind, could you call the ins and tell them how simple it is to legally bring someone into the country, i don't think they know?

1. Form I-129F
2. Form I-765
3. Passport
4. Birth certificate
5. Police certificate from all places lived since age 16
6. Form I-134
7. Form DS-156 prepared in duplicate
8. Form DS-156K
9. Form I-485
10. Form I-864

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_2994.html

as i stated, many of these forms require control numbers obtained from previous forms to be submitted and therefore cannot be submitted all at once. additionally, in case you were too "lazy and uninformed" to check, the current backlog at ins is years in many cases. forgive me for linking to fox news, but:

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Nov20/0,4670,ImmigrationSuffocatingInPaper,00.html

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Jim;

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If you ask and not guess...
If you do what they say...
It's really quick and easy.
(no lawyer required for us)

Thanks for the flash-backs!!

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what a joke! you can't compare emigrating from britain (or most of western europe). ever heard of a visa waiver program (vwp)? sure, you still need to apply for permanent status, but we have had a back door agreement with them for a while. of course it was quick and easy.

http://london.usembassy.gov/cons_new/visa/niv/vwp.html
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What are you referring to? Most of such actions I have seen are because the person has something in their past or that they cannot prove they are an asset to the society.

What is wrong with the current system where we see whether the person is likely to be an asset or a burden?

maybe i misunderstood you, i have no problem with the current system's criteria...just the inefficiency of it. we don't need any more criminals or drug traffickers here! my favorite has to be "advocating the overthrow of the government" being grounds for a visa denial.
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Well, if you are looking for efficiency, look at the govt and try not to do what they do and you will be efficient.
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I wasn’t trying to compare. Only agreeing with Jim with regards to the fact that there are means. And stating that I’ve been there and used them. Things worked out nicely. At no point did I get all sarcastic and belittling as you have here. Did you not see the post was in personal letter form? Sorry, I guess I should have made it a PM.

Sure – Any moron should already know that there will be differences in the requirements and procedures pending the government and country they are dealing with.

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Yep, we should bend over backwards to attract the best and brightest from around the world.
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SwampYankee our old newspaper guy told my mom that he made $1500 per month and sent $500 back to Mexico every month. One day I was taking the trash out and he stopped and talked to me for about 5 minutes, it was weird, then the very next day someone else took his route, he just disappeared. My mom thinks maybe he got deported since that was during the time lots of illegals were being gathered up north of Chicago. There was so much fear among the illegals at that time that they stopped going to the malls and shops were complaining about losing all that business.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:37 AM
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You have the EXACT mindset of any illegal border jumper into the USAD

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wow, a visa? that's brilliant, i can't imagine why he didn't just do that! if you wouldn't mind, could you call the ins and tell them how simple it is to legally bring someone into the country, i don't think they know?
WOW! Too many forms for you, hunh?

Hey, listen, I am NOT your research beeyotch, I will NOT call the INS for you.

Do it yourself, or better yet, have your friend that married the Romanian go and do it, it is his beef, not yours, anyhow.

From what I recall - it was over 15 years ago I went through all of it, there is an I-92 form missing, from your list. That one was REAL important.

Also you need to know for the VISA whether you want 'PERMISSION TO WORK" to be stamped in the VISA. That's a separate issue to address, and it sounds like MOST applicants need or want to consider it.

It is VERY important, and tourists to England always have MAY NOT WORK stamped into their entry stamp when they show their passport at the airport. )For example)

I went through the whole thing, and if I did, so can you and your friend.

The INS gives the instructions on EXACTLY what forms are needed, how the procedures work, and what evidentiary proof is required.

I had LOTS of proof, all of it neatly presented to the INS in thumb indexed, 3 ring binders, every page in a plastic page protector.

They were very impressed, the INS agent said it was the cleanest presentation he ever saw, it comprised over 300 pages in 3 binders, and showed a LOT of sincere hard work to make their job easy.

Naturally, the application was granted quickly at the final interview. The INS loves it when you are forthright, have lots of evidence, and have all the forms filled out and the steps complete.

I had no problems whatsoever.

Neither should you.

Of course if you whine about it and do nothing, you will have problems.

LOTS of them.

And you would deserve to.


The quick lazy and easy way would be for the Romanian bride to just sneak under the fence, wouldn't it?

Like every other illegal.

Sorry, you will find NO sympathy here from people who helped others get here the LEGAL way.

It's much easier to just sit and whine about it. Or just jump the border.

There is ONE control number, I think it is called an A number. The pending case is ALWAYS called up under that number. Even when the provisional green card was issued.

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1. Form I-129F
2. Form I-765
3. Passport
4. Birth certificate
5. Police certificate from all places lived since age 16
6. Form I-134
7. Form DS-156 prepared in duplicate
8. Form DS-156K
9. Form I-485
10. Form I-864




what a joke! you can't compare emigrating from britain (or most of western europe). ever heard of a visa waiver program (vwp)? sure, you still need to apply for permanent status, but we have had a back door agreement with them for a while. of course it was quick and easy.
Why are you insulting WVO and DJ? Are you unhappy about their "lucky" confluence of geography and biology?

Sounds like a case of Sour grapes to me.

Here's some free advice: If you EVER have to deal with the INS, you'd do well to set aside your attitude at their door.

It is really bad.

They will notice.

The results for you will be predictable.
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i don't want many of the people here that were born here to be here, but unfortunately we don't have the luxury of choosing. there are already many reasons that would cause someone to be denied a visa or permanent status. what criteria would you use?
What criteria I would use, or what you would use, is of no moment.

The INS has a list, whyn't you go find out what it is?

I can remember two, from when I sponsored someone from Peru about 15 years ago.


~~No AIDS, VD, Tuberculosis or other contagious diseases. They have to get tested by an MD, and they make the appointment at the US consulate or Embassy, I think there is a list of approved Doctors for the tests.


~~A clean criminal and police record from their home country. Certified Documentation from that country's police authority needs to be presented.



Border jumpers don't have to worry about things like that, do they?
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I never see any blacks or whites sitting there waiting to get picked up.

Can anyone point to a specific reason why it is mostly central american or mexican or are they they flavor of the moment...

...I'm making observations, not accusations.
Simple...the non-Hispanic population comprise of native Americans who are already dulled by the riches this country offers...including government handouts.

Folks who risked the dangerous and desperate trek into this country are grateful for the opportunity to better themselves immensely!

Wait a couple of generations when they are assimilated into the system and are accustomed to the freedoms and benefits this country has to offer. Then there will be a proportionate amount of Hispanics who will fall into the same category as the Black and White groups of individuals who feel that manual labor is beneath their dignity...

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