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Old 10-24-2008, 04:21 PM
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Canvassing the troops, Pt. 7

Both parties faced the daunting task of reaching the soldiers and convincing them to vote for their respective ticket. Both parties complained of the lack of ballots available for the soldiers, and both believed that enemy officers--that is, army officers from the other party--impeded the dissemination of political knowledge. "Maj. Hancock (brother of the General) tells us that the McClellan colonels destroy whole boxes of Republican documents sent to them," rejoiced one Democratic politician. "They do'nt [sic] allow the soldiers to see them." (65) Republicans believed this was scandalous behavior. The editors of the Tribune complained that the army was "flooded" with McClellan and Seymour ballots made to look like Republican tickets. (66) Yet Democrats also believed their voters in blue were being deprived of the information needed to make an educated decision. One Democratic congressman lamented to the editor of the New York World, "I despair of success, because of the soldier vote which is aloof from all social & political influences. We cannot reach it." (67) Democrats believed that soldiers could not vote responsibly because they were uninformed on the issues at stake and the positions of the various candidates. Seymour reported to August Belmont that many soldiers from New York and other states desired copies of the World and other Democratic papers. If Belmont "could furnish a quantity of campaign papers and documents for distribution to soldiers, from time to time until election day--much good would thereby be accomplished." (60) Democrats were convinced that Republicans "have flooded the army with campaign documents. We are doing nothing here in that line--and it must be done & everywhere." (69)

In order to canvass the troops and send political documents to the army, politicians believed they not only had to determine where the soldiers of their various states were located but also which officers in the army were sympathetic to their cause. Democratic politicians believed that political documents had to "be sent by express to some McClellan colonels etc. who will distribute them" because the "mail cannot be trusted unless papers are securely wrapped and directed to private parties" (70) Senator Edwin D. Morgan warned Stanton of a related Democratic effort to get "the principal officers in the Army committed to McClellan with [the] expectation of getting the soldiers votes." The Democrats had solicited Generals Joseph Hooker, William S. Rosecrans, Samuel Heintzelman, and even old fuss and feathers, Winfield Scott. "A committee went to West Point last night on the same boat I did to get Gen' Scott to attend their mass meeting and to preside at it. He thus far stands aloof. He thinks he should so stand throughout" Morgan knew that Scott was "not unfriendly to McClellan" and hoped that Stanton "will perhaps know all about the political preferences of the Generals whose names I have given and will know how to apply the remedy better than I do. Their object is to change the army vote." (71)

Democrats had nominated McClellan for president in part because they believed that he was their best hope for winning the soldiers' votes. Shortly after the general's nomination, the editor of the New York World advised him to refrain from writing political letters, but suggested that he might "keep up a diligent friendly correspondence with all your old friends in the army. You know the platform hurts us there, & how confidently Mr. Lincoln counts upon the ambition of the army officers & the votes of the soldiers to assist in his re-election." McClellan could counteract Lincoln's hopes just as Franklin Pierce had taken the vote of Mexican War veterans from General Scott "by private letters of a general nature" to old army officers in 1852. (72)

Many Democrats believed they had enough support from the voters in the North that they needed only "a fraction of the soldier vote" to win the elections of 1864. "If I have a fair response from my friends in the Army I can get through," wrote one congressman up for reelection in Ohio. (73) Democratic politicians believed that they would receive enough support from the troops, especially after McClellan issued his letter of acceptance pledging continued prosecution of the war. (74) Nevertheless, to many Republicans, any Democratic attempt to secure the soldier vote was treasonous and fraudulent. Secretary of State Seward was implored to "use every effort to preserve the integrity of the Soldiers Vote" as "frauds will be attempted & carr'd out if possible to elect the Democratic party." As Mark E. Neely Jr. has suggested, party competition in the midst of the Civil War was deeply factious, leading some politicians to think "only of electoral victory in the short term." (75) During the Civil War politicians of both parties--but particularly the Republicans, because they controlled the federal government--were willing to alter traditional federal-state roles and condemn party competition to win elections.

Despite his initial reluctance to help Depew locate New York soldiers, the secretary of war and the War Department eventually became central to the canvassing of the army. Republican politicians believed that Stanton had "it within your power to reduce the McClellan vote at least 10000 in New York," and appealed to him to "effect our redemption." (76) Stanton may have hoped to appear bipartisan--and he might have believed that he was--but it is little wonder that, under the War Department's election regulations, Democrats perceived Republicans as capable of dominating electioneering among the troops and suppressing pro-Democratic sentiment among officers. (77)

The War Department's orders made provisions for state election commissioners, party inspectors, and commanding officers to oversee the elections and distribute tickets. They forbade "political speeches, harangues, or canvassing among the troops." The orders also included a provision that anyone in the service of the United States "who may wantonly destroy tickets, or prevent their proper distribution among legal voters, interfere with the freedom of election, or make any false or fraudulent returns" was subject to military discipline. (78) Such stipulations could not stop corruption, however, and politicians from both sides protested instances of alleged injustice in the canvassing of the troops. "The soldiers were hungry for our tickets" one Democratic congressman from Ohio grumbled, and "the cry was for more, [but] the officers ordered us out! This in Columbus--a free state! Do you wonder how I am beaten. We left tickets there, when ordered out, but they were at once destroyed." (79)

Of course, the secretary of war cannot be blamed for this alleged illegal politicking. It was wartime, and party competition in the army was devoid of the safeguards of civilian elections. Both sides had partisan ends, and Republicans in the North were grateful to Stanton and the War Department for any contribution to their party's success. The Union State Central Committee in Pennsylvania unanimously adopted a set of resolutions stating how "greatly indebted to the War Department" they were "for the facilities it afforded the ... Committee in securing the soldiers vote at the October and November elections" (Pennsylvania held a state election in October). Therefore, "the thanks of the Committee are due and hereby tendered to Hon. E. M. Stanton, Secretary of War for his cheerful and valuable cooperation in securing our triumph at the ballot box." (80)

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Canvassing the troops, Pt. 8

Like the War Department, members of Congress also played an integral part in the canvassing of the troops. In response to a worried Republican who feared that many soldiers would not be able to vote, the Union Executive Congressional Committee for the Presidential Campaign of 1864--a body consisting of seven prominent Republican U.S. senators and congressmen--confidently responded that "we have attended to the necessity of soldiers voting." (81) Republicans in the federal government, in time of electoral crisis, believed that it was their responsibility to make sure that citizens and soldiers would be able to vote in the state and national elections. This federal intervention in 1864 was not a new idea, however. Some politicians had, in fact, supported an increased federal role in state elections since the early months of the war.

As early as October 1862 a few Republicans believed that the national government should aid the states in collecting votes from the field. Several prominent Minnesota Republicans wrote to Lincoln prior to the off-year elections fearing that if "our volunteers are not permitted to vote two semi-secessionists will be elected to Congress and a legislature elected that will send some man of similar proclivities next winter to the Senate." To remedy the situation, they wanted to send commissioners to canvass Minnesota soldiers and needed the commander-in-chief to ensure that their mission would be a success. (82)

After the Republican party lost many seats throughout the North in 1862, some Republican politicians began contemplating a larger federal presence in elections. U.S. Representative Thaddeus Stevens believed that "Congress can authorize" soldiers to vote in federal elections, establish residence of soldiers "wherever they are," and regulate "the mode" of elections. Even further, after Pennsylvania soldiers had not been allowed to vote in 1862, Stevens believed that Congress "could pass an act allowing those who have not voted at this election to vote and be counted in the canvass." Federal tampering with the election even to this extraordinary extent, he supposed, "would be constitutional," though he doubted it would be "politic." (83) Another Republican congressman who lost his seat in 1862 wondered if Congress could pass a law fixing a day when soldiers from all states could vote. (84) This last proposition was almost as unprecedented as Stevens' ex post facto-voting scheme. At the time of the Civil War the states determined their own election calendars, with the exception of the presidential election. Such a congressional intrusion into the timing of elections most likely would have been perceived by many Americans as unwarranted.

Because it was improbable that Congress could enact the kind of laws that these Republicans desired, it was up to the state assemblies to pass appropriate legislation that would allow soldiers to vote. (85) This was in keeping with the traditional view of political rights--suffrage was a privilege that men possessed by virtue of being state citizens. Nevertheless, by 1864 the Republican administration in Washington was willing to broaden the government's conventional role in elections when it came to canvassing the troops. Immediate political circumstances compelled Republicans to increase the responsibility of the federal government and caused Democrats to look to their party leaders in New York. Although these changes were probably never intended to be permanent, the expanded role of the federal government is significant because it demonstrates the lengths to which politicians were willing to go in order to win an election, even in the midst of a civil war. As the need to procure the army vote became evident to politicians of both parties, the need to bring the individual, state-centered political rights of soldiers under some sort of national control became apparent. Many Republicans believed that soldiers deserved to vote by virtue of their service in the Union army, not merely as a protection or extension of their state-conferred rights. Thus, it followed that the War Department should have jurisdiction over any problems that arose out of soldiers voting--which is exactly what happened in the case of the New York state agents who were arrested in Baltimore and Washington. (86) The right of suffrage did not become a federally sanctioned entitlement as a result of soldiers voting during the Civil War. Yet in the arrests and trials of the state agents, as well as the process of canvassing the soldiers in the field, the states conceded--or were forced to concede--part of their jurisdiction over a traditionally state-centered right.
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Phew... that's all. Sorry for the length, but it's pretty interesting! If anyone's dying to read the footnotes, I can paste those, too.
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Old 10-24-2008, 04:31 PM
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When did the military get the right to vote in federal elections? If memory serves me, at one time the military couldn't vote.

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I'm surprised they let him keep flying after he crashed three jet fighters....
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Old 10-24-2008, 04:46 PM
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I'm surprised they let him keep flying after he crashed three jet fighters....
Not all his fault . . . after all, they were Navy jets . . .
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Old 10-24-2008, 05:00 PM
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I'm surprised they let him keep flying after he crashed three jet fighters....
I'll just bet somewhere there's a Navy file that has investigations or aircraft incidents and accidents. I wonder why nobody has gone to the trouble of looking it up? If they have looked it up, you'd think it would be available.

Low hanging fruit.

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Didn't one catch on fire while still on the carrier?

I checked my copy of Faith of My Fathers . . Ch 14, some stray voltage cued up a Zuni rocket on a nearby plane and blew up the belly tank on his plane.
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Old 10-24-2008, 05:10 PM
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Didn't one catch on fire while still on the carrier?

I checked my copy of Faith of My Fathers . . Ch 14, some stray voltage cued up a Zuni rocket on a nearby plane and blew up the belly tank on his plane.
Yeah, that and another fire earned the Forrestal the nickname, "Forrestfire". They used to show us those vids when we'd cycle through firefighter training. It's gruesome but sure gets the point across that in the long run, training and discipline is more useful than bravery.
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Didn't one catch on fire while still on the carrier?

I checked my copy of Faith of My Fathers . . Ch 14, some stray voltage cued up a Zuni rocket on a nearby plane and blew up the belly tank on his plane.
Something like that, but McCain lost three before he got to SE ASIA. One in flight training, one in Spain, and one flameout while doing something related to the Army Navy Game in Philly.

He earned the nickname "ACE" for downing three planes..his own A/C
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Ok, didn't really want to post this....
If you didn't want to post it then why did you post it?
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http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_tedmancurin.htm

The author believes that McCain is a "Manchurian Candidate".

Oh.

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Come to think of it . . . has James Garner played any other type of character?

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