Would you agree that either one would have been better than what actually occured?

Oooooo, nice dance! Now you want an OFFICIAL policy!

Well I'll just bet that the official policy leaves it to the discretion of the field agent. Wanna bet? Within that discretion I'll bet there's the choice of a phone call. But not being in federal law enforcement I haven't a clue as to what the official policy is. I'll bet even most criminal lawyers don't know.

You might note that we both offered roughly the same alternatives none of which the BATF chose. Instead, they chose a path that ultimately led to the incineration of innocents.

Now I may not know what the official policy is. But I'll just bet it doesn't involve infant barbecue.

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The discussion was not about whether proper procedures were followed. But, you're free to go off on one of your tangents.........yet again.

I suggested that they had a warrant and a procedure to take the man into custody. Clearly, neither you, nor I, know what it is.

But, feel free to quarterback it after that fact................it would be nice if you knew the playbook first.

Would you prefer that citizens not Monday- Morning Quarterback the government when it incinerates whole families?

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...........see post #108.........

In which you imply that citizens shouldn't question government actions unless they have all of the government's procedures.

To which I replied as I did. "Would you prefer that citizens not Monday- Morning Quarterback the government when it incinerates whole families?"

See how it works? This is why we call it a dialogue.

Do you believe that citizens should only question their government when the citizens have all of the government's information?

Nice dance!

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I'm not playing at your dance.

Go back to post #99 where I wrote:


You then took the dialog OT and chose to discuss whether I support, or do not support monday morning quarterbacking of the incident in question.

I'm not interested in going OT and simply ask that you address the original statement if you want to continue with your "dialog".

You really cannot continue with the original statement because you don't even know the proper procedures for the ATF so, you can't comment on whether or not they were followed.

And, since I don't know the procedures nor do I know the full execution of those procedures, I'll certainly avoid comments that are not based in fact.

I don't believe I asserted any knowledge of BATF arrest procedures. It maybe that endangering the lives of a couple dozen children is normal SOP.

I think it is appropriate to second guess incineration of children, regardless of SOP's. In fact, I don't give a poopie about SOP's. The gov should not burn up it's citizens just as a matter of general policy. Maybe they should add that to their SOP's.

Now a reasonable person, like for instance from the local sheriff to the Texas Rangers, suggested that had BATF a lick of sense they would have asked teh sheriff to invite the nutty preacher for an interview. Which apparently, the sheriff had done on previous occasions. But you know, a buncha guys attacking a radical compound makes much better copy than a simple interview of some fruitcake religious leader.

Not that the BATF would ever stoop to grandstanding. I know they are above that.

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Clearly, although you've got no knowledge of any ATF procedures or practices, and probably don't even have the knowledge of the exact tactics used in this altercation, you're going to put forth anyway.

Well, now that you're done with such useless OT info, my original question that prompted this ongoing OT rant stands in post #75.

I have no idea what that post has to do with the Wackoes in Waco. Nor do I understand what it is that is causing such intensity.

As far as I can determine, all I have indicated is that BATF's (and subsequently, the FBI's) approach to L. E. resulted in massive loss of innocent civilians and for no apparent good reason.

I cannot imagine what the gov bureaucrats were thinking as they escalated the violence, one step at a time until kids got fried. Then they packed the ground so that no forensics were possible by independent parties.

I believe that is a good and sufficient reason for private citizens to hold their government accountable and demand changes in procedures to prevent that type of murderous tragedy from ever being repeated.

For many people, that behavior on the part of the gov was good and sufficient reason to treat the government as a potential threat.

Were they wrong?

B

Nothing. That's why it's OT for this thread.

And, that's why I'm not taking the bait.

But, feel free to put forth your seemingly endless rhetoric on the topic..............

If it's such a tragic expense of effort, why do you waste your time? You could be curing cancer or something.
B

Is this an oil thread?

Oil swell that end swell.

A bullet in the brain ends well.