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Skid Row Joe · #16 04-27-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum525

This is going to be like another New Coke vs Classic Coke situation.

They are going for now...but one day they will be back.

How's that??

GM is a ward of the state......and Coke is a profitable corporation.

aklim · #17 04-27-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

That'll teach 'em what happens when begging to the government for help. The people out-of-work will have to take their lumps too, because of it.

The people out of work raked it in during the good times so if they didn't sock some of it away for possible lean times, how is it our fault?

Hatterasguy · #18 04-27-2009, 08:36 PM

I never had a good experiance with a Pontiac, just plastic fantastic Grand Am's that are total POS.

Has Pontiac made a good car since 1970? Thats just about 40 years of crap, about time, see ya.

The Swede · #19 04-27-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I never had a good experiance with a Pontiac, just plastic fantastic Grand Am's that are total POS.

Has Pontiac made a good car since 1970? Thats just about 40 years of crap, about time, see ya.

X2

panZZer · #20 04-27-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

I read in the paper a group including several Saturn dealers were interested in buying the mark.

If I were GM, I'd have Saturn, Chevy, GMC, and Cadillac for the American market. Saturn would be my AtoB brand, Chevy my Acura/BMW brand, GMC my truck brand, and Caddy my Jag/performance brand. The Corvette would move to Caddy, with a ~$15K or so price jump to cover the better quality. A Z06 would be priced comparatively with cars it competes with, like 911 turbos, etc.. Saturn would lose the roadster, which would become Chevy's new powerhouse. Chevy would also get a sport sedan, probably AWD. 2 entry level vehicles, one a sedan and one a smaller car, probably based off a Saturn, but with more amenities.

It's my understanding that Saturn is totally held by creditors, as is it's original Spring Hill Tn factory thats currently building the small chevy van-whatever it's called and this was planned this way because Saturn was always they're own seperate dealerships. GM can simply default on the loans and dont have to buy out the dealerships, so Saturn might survive into a second life owned by someone else.

catmandoo62 · #21 04-27-2009, 08:58 PM

my dad's probably rolling over in his grave today.he lived.breathed and worked for pontiac from 1947 til 66 but always had a pontiac around.i still have his pride and joy 66 catalina which i'm giving to my little sister and her husband within the next few weeks.but can't say i didn't see the writing on the wall.after they dumped oldsmobile i pretty much knew GM was destined for the scrapheap.

MTI · #22 04-27-2009, 09:34 PM

Pontiac, and Oldsmobile, only had a handful of memorable cars, otherwise they were merely the Mercury or Plymouth divisions of GM.

Skid Row Joe · #23 04-27-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Pontiac, and Oldsmobile, only had a handful of memorable cars, otherwise they were merely the Mercury or Plymouth divisions of GM.

Swooosh.......

Skid Row Joe · #24 04-27-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

It's my understanding that Saturn is totally held by creditors, as is it's original Spring Hill Tn factory thats currently building the small chevy van-whatever it's called and this was planned this way because Saturn was always they're own seperate dealerships. GM can simply default on the loans and dont have to buy out the dealerships, so Saturn might survive into a second life owned by someone else.

Saturn==GM==government ward of the state.....

DeliveryValve · #25 04-27-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

I read in the paper a group including several Saturn dealers were interested in buying the mark.......

The dealership buyout is just to use the Saturn name. Their plan is to not build cars and purchase existing vehicles from other manufactures and rebadge them.
If this goes through, you may see a Ford, Honda or Kia manufactured vehicle in their line up at the same time.

aklim · #26 04-27-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Has Pontiac made a good car since 1970?

Hard to say. Take the Firebird I am familiar with. 81 was the last year of the true Firebird. After that, the Firebird was 90% the same as the Camaro. Now we have 2 divisions fighting for the same guy. WTF???

86560SEL · #27 04-28-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I never had a good experiance with a Pontiac, just plastic fantastic Grand Am's that are total POS.

Has Pontiac made a good car since 1970? Thats just about 40 years of crap, about time, see ya.

The older Pontiacs were just as good as other GM cars back then. Not sure when they really started going down... it depended on the model I guess. I have my grandmothers old 1973 Pontiac Grand Ville with the factory 455 engine (pictured below). I have have been driving this car for the past 7 years and the ONLY two problems I have had was the alternator (had rebuilt for $25) and a master cylinder ($17.00).... and ALOT of gas.

I also had a 1989 Pontiac Safari wagon (big model that had been made since '77) and it was a good car to, but it was a RWD V8 model as well.

(Btw, that box on the hood is brake pads for my Mercedes that it didnt need).

Dee8go · #28 04-28-2009, 11:19 AM

It's sad to see so many icons of our youth disappearing.

JollyRoger · #29 04-28-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I never had a good experiance with a Pontiac, just plastic fantastic Grand Am's that are total POS.

Has Pontiac made a good car since 1970? Thats just about 40 years of crap, about time, see ya.

The last good car they made, IMO, was the 1972 Firebird, it was all downhill after that. The things that make me the saddest is the memory of my 1965 GTO that I had in high school. When you heard and felt that third two-barrel kick in on that 389 big block, there was no feeling like it, up to that time one of the most awesome stock cars ever built.