Seems like the formula should incorporate similar thinking to how they arrive at the Corporate fuel ratings--total miles divied by total gallons.

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1982 300SD " Wotan" ..On the road as of Jan 8, 2007 with Historic Tags

That ignores the energy required to charge the batteries.

I think 35MPG is doable for many vehicles. Anyone who has been paying attention realizes that 35 is not a huge step. Look at the numbers - http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_04_23.html The MPG ratings have been fairly static in some classes, while posting modest gains in others.

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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Bye anything over 2,750 pounds.

Peels for everyone!

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1980 300TD-China Blue/Blue MBTex-2nd Owner, 107K (Alt Blau) OBK #15
'06 Chevy Tahoe Z71 (for the wife & 4 kids, current mule) '03 Honda Odyssey (son #1's ride, reluctantly) '99 GMC Suburban (255K+ miles, semi-retired mule) 21' SeaRay Seville (summer escape pod)

I'd drive one!

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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life-
'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

US car manufactures have cried wolf too many times. Seat bealts.... it drive the cost up of cars. Air bags... it drive the cost up of cars. ABS, it...... OH shut the hell up already.

If my 13 yr old Diesel can get 32mpg then there is no problem getting a 4500 lb vehicle over 35mpr in 2016.

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2014 C250 21,XXX my new DD ** 2013 GLK 350 18,000 Wife's new DD**

- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

Actually I would, too. Assuming I could squeeze my fat @$$ into it.

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1980 300TD-China Blue/Blue MBTex-2nd Owner, 107K (Alt Blau) OBK #15
'06 Chevy Tahoe Z71 (for the wife & 4 kids, current mule) '03 Honda Odyssey (son #1's ride, reluctantly) '99 GMC Suburban (255K+ miles, semi-retired mule) 21' SeaRay Seville (summer escape pod)

Jeremy Clarkson tested a high end Jag with a twin turbo V6 diesel a while back, and even driving wastefully and with all car options on and such....he still got well over 40mpg.....

If the Jetta TDI wagon can get over 40mpg.....then 35.5 should be an easy target. And I bet both of those vehicles weigh a lot more than 2,750....

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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life-
'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

I don't see the big deal either. My 2004 Jetta weighs 3000 lbs and easily gets 45 mpg. And the older ones get even better mileage because they have less power. Anyone who insists cars can't get 35 mpg 7 years from now must be smoking something. Heck, even the auto industry is going along with it this time, so what's the problem?

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2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual)

Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL

New lighter, more fuel efficient cars AND population control at the same time!
Eliminate safety glass, crush zones, bumpers, air bags, seat belts, ABS, ESC,4 wheel brakes. Souinds like a smart cars without all the refinements. The Peel it is

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1982 300SD " Wotan" ..On the road as of Jan 8, 2007 with Historic Tags

Tata Nano anyone?

You seem to have the opinion that getting decent fuel mileage will result in very small cheap cars. Detroit got you right where they want you.

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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no, dont be ridiculous. I was just pointing out that the Tata, recently discussed here, would be a vehicle that would fit the requirements for the new fuel standards. BTW, there is nothing wrong with small cheap cars; part of the problem now is that the big three sold Amrica on the idea of bigger is better. When I was a kid, trucks were not the norm, people might hav ea truck for work, but most folks drove sedans or wagons. Now, the propensity is towards big truck like SUVs or 4 door trucks. Detroit made more profit on those, and I am sure would love to keep selling them.

here are some small, cheap cars that are way cool...

1. VW Beetle
2. VW Rabbit
3. Citroen DCV
4. Suzuki Metro
5. VW Polo
6. Tata Nano
7. Morris Minor
8. Mini Cooper (original)
9. MG & Triumphs of all sorts
10. Renault Le Car

wow, look, small cheap cars that I like and not one of them is from Detroit! I guess you are right, Detroit has me just where they want me....

BTW, Kudos on having a Land Cruiser, certainly a stick in the eye to fuel economy stds; I know, I have a 1968 FJ55

Jeezus ain't that the truth... I'm toying with a 617 swap......The diesel that Toyota developed for the FJ doesn't seem worth bothering with. Currently, the big problem is the vehicle lives in CO, and I live in CT.

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

https://media.giphy.com/media/X3nnss8PAj5aU/giphy.gif

617? I have heard of the 4B swaps, etc. SOR sells 'half cut" diesel units to do a swap, basically front half of a foreign market Cruiser with an oil burner. It aint cheap though IH8Mud has a lot of conversion info and threads. Sounds like a road trip is in order to get your rig. You can always stop for a beer break in OKC; I'll buy.