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LaRondo · #31 05-26-2009, 01:04 AM

That's what peeps usually do until they get bit ...

aklim · #32 05-26-2009, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

That's what peeps usually do until they get bit ...

Yes but dogs are way more trustworthy than people so the odds of getting bit by a dog is way less than a person.

LaRondo · #33 05-26-2009, 01:14 AM

'Klim logic. Got any statistical proof for that?

aklim · #34 05-26-2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

'Klim logic. Got any statistical proof for that?

Know any creature besides human with the ability to scheme and plan treachery?

bob_98sr5 · #35 05-26-2009, 02:54 AM

This is a subject near and dear to my heart as I've studied this region since college, have relatives still in NK, uncle a Full Colonel in the KAF, etc.

It laughable that NK will run over and take over SK. Militarily speaking, their conventional forces are poorly equipped, trained, etc. Their only saving grace is their large special forces and tunnels to enter SK and disrupt and destroy our and SK forces from rear. It will be a brutal, bloody war. NK has tens of thousands of artillery and long range mortars built on the reverse slopes pointing towards Seoul.

What's even more laughable is the liberal SK approach and thinking did NOT do anything to make the peninsula any safer. You know that "anti-corruption" president of Korea Ro? After *paying* Kim Jong Il for the privilege of putting on a great charade and have chaebols like the Hyundais pay to bolster the Sunshine Policy, KJI was still thumbing his nose at the world and building nukes. The more tougher approach from the Bush policy allowed us to put KJI on notice that we, the US, would not be blackmailed for aid and that there should be quid pro quo. But what did KJI do? Yes, he kept building nukes.

So thats my point: KJI is an extortionist. He's pissed that we did not fold and give him more food aid, international attention, etc when he launched his missile a few weeks back. Just like a child begging for attention, he set off a nuke. Thats not to say we should minimize his missiles and nukes, he is just interested in self preservation. The architect of Juche idea who was in the Kim inner circle, said so in front of Congress when he defected.

One other thing: someone above mentioned that we should not provide him with food aid and that the people will revolt. I agree on the first point. We should not provide them food or energy aid UNLESS there is verifiable proof that they are complying with...whatever the world community wants it to comply to. Defectors have all said that, at the height of the food aid, the govt would invite the cameras to show food being distributed. But later, the army would pick it right up.

But the presumption that people will revolt is far from any reality. The NKs are brutual to any dissent. I encourage anyone interested in NK politics to read even the excerpts of a book titled "Aquariums of Pyongyang", which was written by a former camp guard. If you even do the smallest thing like throw away a newspaper with KIS or KJI's image into the trash, you can be sent to a gulag. If you try to escape to China and get caught or other "treasonous" acts, 3 generations of your family will be imprisoned. These gulags are brutal. Chemical experiments, rapes, feeding children to dogs, I am not kidding.

So when I hear naive liberals say "why should we, the US, tell other nations they can't build and send satellites into space?" Just read the book above for a dose of reality. The govt there are not good people and that is why we should not acquiesce any longer.

LaRondo · #36 05-26-2009, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Know any creature besides human with the ability to scheme and plan treachery?

That's not the point. You're a human as well, so you have every potential and ability to act accordingly. This factor is also known as "intelligence".

However, so far throughout the 50 years of my existence, I have been bit by 1 dog and zero humans.

aklim · #37 05-26-2009, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

That's not the point. You're a human as well, so you have every potential and ability to act accordingly. This factor is also known as "intelligence".

However, so far throughout the 50 years of my existence, I have been bit by 1 dog and zero humans.

Yes, I have the potential and have acted on it in the past and probably will do so again in the future. Knowing that, what makes me or you more trustworthy than my dogs? In fact, I'd say it makes a person less trustworthy since the animal can be trusted NOT to do such unsavory things because it lacks the ability.

Biting you is all the dog can do. Have you ever been lied to, cheated, screwed over by a human being? Are you trying to make a point or are you just trying to bust my chops?

LaRondo · #38 05-26-2009, 03:51 AM

The talk was about "unknown" dogs, not your dogs.

I don't see why I should trust unknown dogs more than unknown humans.
My intelligence tells me to stay away from dogs I don't know and to alos avoid people I don't know, as much as I can, although I cannot completely avoid human interaction.

Thirdly, if I would make a point, your chops would go bust right along with it.

RichC · #39 05-26-2009, 05:33 AM

Welcome to the next wave of fear mongering.....

I have been through thousands of terrible situations in my lifetime.
And a few of them actually happened. --Mark Twain

LUVMBDiesels · #40 05-26-2009, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bob_98sr5

This is a subject near and dear to my heart as I've studied this region since college, have relatives still in NK, uncle a Full Colonel in the KAF, etc.

It laughable that NK will run over and take over SK. Militarily speaking, their conventional forces are poorly equipped, trained, etc. Their only saving grace is their large special forces and tunnels to enter SK and disrupt and destroy our and SK forces from rear. It will be a brutal, bloody war. NK has tens of thousands of artillery and long range mortars built on the reverse slopes pointing towards Seoul.

What's even more laughable is the liberal SK approach and thinking did NOT do anything to make the peninsula any safer. You know that "anti-corruption" president of Korea Ro? After *paying* Kim Jong Il for the privilege of putting on a great charade and have chaebols like the Hyundais pay to bolster the Sunshine Policy, KJI was still thumbing his nose at the world and building nukes. The more tougher approach from the Bush policy allowed us to put KJI on notice that we, the US, would not be blackmailed for aid and that there should be quid pro quo. But what did KJI do? Yes, he kept building nukes.

So thats my point: KJI is an extortionist. He's pissed that we did not fold and give him more food aid, international attention, etc when he launched his missile a few weeks back. Just like a child begging for attention, he set off a nuke. Thats not to say we should minimize his missiles and nukes, he is just interested in self preservation. The architect of Juche idea who was in the Kim inner circle, said so in front of Congress when he defected.

One other thing: someone above mentioned that we should not provide him with food aid and that the people will revolt. I agree on the first point. We should not provide them food or energy aid UNLESS there is verifiable proof that they are complying with...whatever the world community wants it to comply to. Defectors have all said that, at the height of the food aid, the govt would invite the cameras to show food being distributed. But later, the army would pick it right up.

But the presumption that people will revolt is far from any reality. The NKs are brutual to any dissent. I encourage anyone interested in NK politics to read even the excerpts of a book titled "Aquariums of Pyongyang", which was written by a former camp guard. If you even do the smallest thing like throw away a newspaper with KIS or KJI's image into the trash, you can be sent to a gulag. If you try to escape to China and get caught or other "treasonous" acts, 3 generations of your family will be imprisoned. These gulags are brutal. Chemical experiments, rapes, feeding children to dogs, I am not kidding.

So when I hear naive liberals say "why should we, the US, tell other nations they can't build and send satellites into space?" Just read the book above for a dose of reality. The govt there are not good people and that is why we should not acquiesce any longer.

I agree with what you are saying. However, as far as their military capabilities, you should not discount them sending 200000 troops over the border in a shock wave that will roll our troops and the RK troops up like a carpet. Oh we would be able to regroup and probably force them back, but we would lose Seoul first. It would be a replay of 1950, only this time we do not have MacArthur. Add in a few tactical nukes and you have a huge mess... The idea that China would try to stop Kim from taking over the south is laughable. If they did that, then it would leave them open to intervention when they go after Taiwan.

The only people in the PDRK who have food are the army. The only money being spent is on weapons, the only fuel is being hoarded for their tanks and trucks...

Of course Kim is an exotrtionist. It has worked before to give him money, food, and fuel and even more important STATUS. By forcing the RK, Japan, and ther USA go give in to him, he increases his status among the anti-west crowd ad hepls to keep his butt firmly on the throne.

Add in the fact that he will sell his nukes to whoever will pay for them and you have a recipe for disaster. Picture this a NK built nuke on top of an Iranian long range missile and bye bye TelAviv...

aklim · #41 05-26-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

The talk was about "unknown" dogs, not your dogs.

I don't see why I should trust unknown dogs more than unknown humans.
My intelligence tells me to stay away from dogs I don't know and to alos avoid people I don't know, as much as I can, although I cannot completely avoid human interaction.

Thirdly, if I would make a point, your chops would go bust right along with it.

Pick any dog you want. Same difference.

Like I said, very simple. One has more potential and has shown to be treacherous. The other, not yet. I fel safer sitting next to a box of bad apples than a box of unexploded munitions

Yes, I'm sure it would. I appreciate a genius of your magnitude lowering himself to talk to me.

raymr · #42 05-26-2009, 08:49 AM

My dog forgets all rules of behavior when he finds an abandoned S'mores on the ground.

He also snatches rolls and cupcakes from small children.

Txjake · #43 05-26-2009, 10:04 AM

A Reuters story this morning reported that the 6 naval vessels from Iran had nothing to do with pirate abatement. Rather, the head of Iran's navy called it a show of resolve. we of course could wipe out these ships w/o much trouble. The point is, however, Iran is flexing its muscles. Many think that this is a test of the waters prior to an attack on Israel.

JollyRoger · #44 05-26-2009, 10:43 AM

Sure. It's real smart to do a naval invasion on a country that is armed with nukes.

Carleton Hughes · #45 05-26-2009, 10:57 AM

Thank You Captain appeasement!