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aklim · #16 08-14-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by raymr

You're driving on the road I helped pay for, you parasite. Get off!

Did you also pay for all the transmission lines, water and sewer pipes that go to your house? The satellite that your GPS uses? The park where you walk your dog? The point is that everybody pitches in for lots of different things. With roads, you pay a little tax and in return get a country full of highways that you can drive on mostly for free, and people who drive a lot exploit the system most to their advantage. Are they the parasites?

Nobody is truly self-sufficient these days. That is a fairy tale. There is lots of interdependency going on.

It's also a fact that we have the highest ratio of morbidly obese people in the world. The land of 300 pound poor people. I would possibly vote for universal coverage if more people choose to take better care of themselves, or at least try. I'm afraid there is a 'good citizen' factor involved that many people wouldn't comprehend.

The biggest problem is that new expensive procedures are possible that can save or prolong lives which would have been lost in years past. If everyone is entitled to those treatments, the system will become very expensive. However I think that everyone should be entitled to at least a free annual checkup, to catch small fixable issues before they get to be major.

I did also pay for it. As a matter of fact, I am paying property tax which goes to pay for schools that I cannot use nor can my non-existent children use.

I thought I paid taxes. Will have to look into that. With roads, AFAIK, you pay more because you use more fuel and thus you pay more taxes for the damage you do.

As I told DieselAddict. If you have just got raped by Bubba, would you welcome his 5 other buddies to take a turn or would you rather they didn't? Yes, I am not truely self-sufficient but I'd rather not be more dependent than I am. I don't want to be any more interdependent than I have to be. With this crap, I am going to be more intertwined with you and 300 million others. IOW, you guys also might have more say in what I do.

They only way is to make them more intertwined with you. So now, your obesity, smoking, lack of exercise involves me too. Get your lazy ass off the couch, get working out and stop smoking because you are affecting my rates. No thanx. With freedom comes CONSEQUENCE. Like I said before, I gave up the security of the parents house, no work to do, food (balanced diet) already cooked and maybe a few bucks for beer. Sounds nice but the consequence of it is that Mom & Dad have a say in how my life goes. Even when I stayed with them for a month (business and wife wanted to see her folks), they were telling us that we should not be up all night, eat at this time, etc, etc. It is a good reminder of why I left. HOWEVER, that said, I am now taking all kinds of responsibilities that I never had to. My deck is a mess and I had to pay for materials and pay for it to be fixed. The grass is long, I have to do it myself. The list goes on.

Oh, someone will scream because they cannot get 1 more week with their loved one. You can bet on that. People want it all. They want the lower taxes we have here, the better care there, the independence we have here and all the life prolonging treatments $$$ they are used to have. IOW, I want it all and I want it NOW!!!. OTOH, I want only what I earned.

MTUpower · #17 08-14-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

How is that fair?

Is life fair? If your goal is to make life fair you are living in hell continually taking one stone at a time up the hill then watching it roll down the other side. Everyone cannot have everything, when you try to do this then no one has much of anything.

aklim · #18 08-14-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

So, the only question that I see as relevant, is what kind of insurance system works best. In other words, what kind of socialized medicine is best.

There are some things about medical expenses that seem a complete mystery, almost as if they are completely irrational. For instance, an MRI typically costs in the US between $1k and 2K I think. My cousin in the UK was on a long waiting list for an MRI. He told me he had an option to get an MRI outside of the National Health Care system if he wanted to. I asked him how much it would cost. His answer: $150. That's right, one hundred and fifty dollars. How can a private company in the UK only charge that price when US MRI's are ten times the cost?.

Fair enough. How about the one with the least intrusion and the easiest to get rid of?

It's very simple. I want to make $100 today. If I have 10 customers, all of whom pay, each pays $10. If I have 10 customers, 5 of whom pay, each PAYING CUSTOMER pays $20. When I was growing up, we used to have abortions done for $5. So unless the doctor works for $2 an hour, how do you figure it gets paid? Well, some other fools have to add to it.

Jim B. · #19 08-14-2009, 11:22 AM

Some lady out here just got bit by a rattlesnake.

She had to go to the hospital, and stayed one night.

The bill for it was $78,000, it was in the paper yesterday.

aklim · #20 08-14-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Using your logic, we should get rid of the Police, and Fire Departments.

Your house catches on fire? It's YOUR problem. Go hire some dweebs to put it out, or do it yourself however you can.

Hire your own security guards to protect you if you don't feel safe with no more police. Or load up your house with guns and ammunition, I don't care.

Social Darwinism is what you want. Take care of your OWN problems, and if you can't -- then STFU and suck it up.

Have 100 babies if you want them but it's YOUR problem to take care of them. If they get sick and you can't afford the money to get them well, it goes in the "not my problem" box, why should *I* pay for idiotic choices you made, I am not my brother's keeper.

Simple question: CAN YOU PAY?

aklim · #21 08-14-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

When we were in Germany in 2003, my mom got real sick....so my dad took her to a local medical center...within 1 hour they had checked her out, given her a prescription that cost $15, and had done a couple tests on her. Cost? Free. And she's not even a German citizen!

The whole system is bloated and this costs have spiraled out of control.

As for the question of "if Europe is so great why don't you move there?" If I could, I would.....without hesitation.

Of course. Some other dumb schmuck paid for it already.

You insist on paying for those that cannot afford. Don't complain. I prefer a "No pay, no play" thing.

If I had the money, I would move you there at my expense. Why? Because after you have spent a few years there, you might just find out some of the skeletons in their closet and find it isn't as good as you thought. The neighbor's grass is greener until you get into his lawn and step on the BS that you didn't see from your side of the fence.

450slcguy · #22 08-14-2009, 11:27 AM

If and when the the Repo's somehow manage to defeat health care reform, they will pay the price in the upcoming elections. Of course their base will be overjoyed with a "victory", but the consequences will inevitably lead to increasing the democratic majority in congress in the next election.

When the average American comes the realization they've been once again hoodwinked by lobbyists and special interests, they'll know who to blame at the polls.

Don't believe it? We'll just see what happens in 2010 and thereafter.

aklim · #23 08-14-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Some lady out here just got bit by a rattlesnake.

She had to go to the hospital, and stayed one night.

The bill for it was $78,000, it was in the paper yesterday.

Do you have an idea what treatment consisted of? Without that, you are no better than the newspapers that told us of the "record profits" the oil companies made but forgot to mention how much they spent to make it. 10%. Telling us a 10% profit margin isn't as sexy as 10 billion profit. Hell, people were talking about "record profits" and slinging that phrase around like there was no tomorrow. When I quizzed them how much was spent to make the "record profit", nobody had a clue. They only knew the phrase and the profit number.

aklim · #24 08-14-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy

If and when the the Repo's somehow manage to defeat health care reform, they will pay the price in the upcoming elections. Of course their base will be overjoyed with a "victory", but the consequences will inevitably lead to increasing the democratic majority in congress in the next election.

In a war, some sacrifices will have to be made. Either way, I am not concerned. The Dems will probably take over more seats no matter what. Then they will do some foolish things and lose the seats and the reps will take over. Then the Reps will do something foolish, etc, etc. Cycle will go on.

MTUpower · #25 08-14-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

As for the question of "if Europe is so great why don't you move there?" If I could, I would.....without hesitation.

When someone says "if I could I would" I ask- what do you have a piano tied to your butt? People everyday make tougher sacrifices than the sacrifice you would have to make to move to Europe. It's possible for you to move to Europe, which means you could, but you don't want to.

450slcguy · #26 08-14-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Do you have an idea what treatment consisted of?

Please tell me, what possible treatment for a 1 night stay could justfiy a $78,000 bill? I'd like to know.

aklim · #27 08-14-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

When someone says "if I could I would" I ask- what do you have a piano tied to your butt? People everyday make tougher sacrifices than the sacrifice you would have to make to move to Europe. It's possible for you to move to Europe, which means you could, but you don't want to.

I made the move to this place from a more "nanny state". Wife came here with a degree that wasn't worth a roll of TP. It can be done. No it wasn't perfect here. Just better.

aklim · #28 08-14-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy

Please tell me, what possible treatment for a 1 night stay could justfiy a $78,000 bill? I'd like to know.

I can ask my wife if you really want to know as to all the things that could go wrong in 1 night that can cost big bucks. Could she have gone into cardiac arrest? Could she have needed something else because the anti-venom caused another problem? The list can go on but without knowing the breakdown, it is just speculation. Take "Patient Snowball". Wife cannot give names or anything. Something screwy happened and they had diarrhea. To you it might be a simple Imodium tablet. The wife sat up with her for the evening to try stabilize her till it got too bad and she had to go to the hospital. It seems surgery was in order. In the medical world, things can snowball out of control very rapidly.

One day, I went to school with a cold. Went to the clinic. Before nightfall, I was in the hospital. Something had gone wrong and I was unable to breathe. I developed asthmatic bronchitis all in less than 24 hrs.

MTUpower · #29 08-14-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I made the move to this place from a more "nanny state". Wife came here with a degree that wasn't worth a roll of TP. It can be done. No it wasn't perfect here. Just better.

You wanted to, and made the sacrifices in order to do so. He says he wants to, but is unwilling to make the sacrifices in order to do so. Either he mis-spoke, lied, or has a piano tied to his butt. I'm guessing mis-spoke, but it's not me to start guessing, so I don't care.

pawoSD · #30 08-14-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Is life fair? If your goal is to make life fair you are living in hell continually taking one stone at a time up the hill then watching it roll down the other side. Everyone cannot have everything, when you try to do this then no one has much of anything.

Yes, by saying that I meant "Since I don't have everything I can possibly dream of, my life is not fair."

Not really.

My goal is to have equal health care as a right for everyone. So wanting health care is considered "wanting everything"? I'm sure you are a Republican, and that YOU have health care. Always easy for those who have it to tell those that don't "tough luck".

I am perfectly happy in my life, however, it would be nice to not have to worry about health care!