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pawoSD · #31 08-14-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

When someone says "if I could I would" I ask- what do you have a piano tied to your butt? People everyday make tougher sacrifices than the sacrifice you would have to make to move to Europe. It's possible for you to move to Europe, which means you could, but you don't want to.

No, its really not. If given the chance to move there I'd surely take it.

1. Couldn't afford to.
2. My family is in the USA.
3. My wife is in school.
4. Wife's family is in USA.
5. Times are difficult there too.

Jim B. · #32 08-14-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Do you have an idea what treatment consisted of? Without that, you are no better than the newspapers that told us of the "record profits" the oil companies made but forgot to mention how much they spent to make it. 10%. Telling us a 10% profit margin isn't as sexy as 10 billion profit. Hell, people were talking about "record profits" and slinging that phrase around like there was no tomorrow. When I quizzed them how much was spent to make the "record profit", nobody had a clue. They only knew the phrase and the profit number.

Your statment above sounds just like a pious pronouncement from the Public Relations division of some greedhead company that fields legions of lobbyists to work Congress so as to get away with rapacious profiteering by buying their votes with campaign contributions.

Nothing more.

aklim · #33 08-14-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

So wanting health care is considered "wanting everything"?

I'm sure you are a Republican, and that YOU have health care. Always easy for those who have it to tell those that don't "tough luck".

How about wanting something you can't afford? Akin to me wanting a 2mil mansion or to be waking up to Briana Banks and Tera Patrick every morning. I'm sure with the right motivation $$, it can be arranged.

OK. I voted for the O-man, I am for abortion and stem cell research, against religion making rules and controlling me, have had socialized medicine, have gone WITHOUT, have health insurance but because of life's uncertainty, could lose it. Now what? Does that allow me to tell you that if you can't afford it, tough luck?

Jim B. · #34 08-14-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

< snip > waking up to Briana Banks and Tera Patrick every morning. < snip >

I would *gladly* pay them money to make them GO AWAY after.

aklim · #35 08-14-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

No, its really not. If given the chance to move there I'd surely take it.

1. Couldn't afford to.
2. My family is in the USA.
3. My wife is in school.
4. Wife's family is in USA.
5. Times are difficult there too.

Ah well, I'd still be living with Mom & Dad if I was like you.

I went to school for what was at that time a good field. IT. Not so good today, is it? I'd be unemployed like you if I didn't see the writing on the wall and decided to do something about it. Wife and I were in a system where they told you what you would major in. Helps a bunch when it comes to shortage of certain job. We had to borrow money so she could go to school to be an RN. I suppose the alternative is she could stamp her foot and insist that people employ her and pay her well. Not her fault that she had to get a philosophy degree which isn't good even for butt wiping, is it?

As to Europe, perhaps they might be more willing to import you there if you had skills that they wanted. When the wife got her RN license, there was a special category of visa for RNs. Again, picking the right job that she could do.

Jim B. · #36 08-14-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Again, picking the right job that she could do.

When I took U.S. Immigration law, the prof told us there were TWO jobs that would vault you to the head of the line for immigrant visas.

1. French Pastry chef.

2. Diesel mechanic.

aklim · #37 08-14-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Your statment above sounds just like a pious pronouncement from the Public Relations division of some greedhead company that fields legions of lobbyists to work Congress so as to get away with rapacious profiteering by buying their votes with campaign contributions.

Nothing more.

OK. Tell me how you make the evaluation then. You only know the dollar amount and you know what she went in for but you don't know the rest. You don't know what other issues happened, do you? Were there complications? Was there any other discoveries that they had to treat?

I took my car in for an oil change and the bill I left with was $5000. Isn't that high for an oil change?

aklim · #38 08-14-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

I would *gladly* pay them money to make them GO AWAY after.

I want them and the wife there for a long time. I can't seem to get the wife to go along with it. Not sure why. I know. I voted for Obama. Maybe he can bring a keg over and talk it over with the girls and the wife.

aklim · #39 08-14-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

When I took U.S. Immigration law, the prof told us there were TWO jobs that would vault you to the head of the line for immigrant visas.

1. French Pastry chef.

2. Diesel mechanic.

Right now, it is RN. Used to be our recruiters would go thru the Ministry of Health in Singapore. Govt felt that sounded like an endorsement from them. Given the fact that they were poaching asian RNs left and right, they are just about Persona Non Grata there. In the Philippines, they are taking MDs and making them into RNs. Better pay, more job opportunities.

I think times have changed for the French Pastry chef and diesel mechanic. Greek Pastry chef I would love to have more of here. I can't get enough of the Greek pastries. I often to to the local Greek Fest not because of the dancing or the cultural lessons. It is because of the pastries that are to die for.

Jim B. · #40 08-14-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I took my car in for an oil change and the bill I left with was $5000. Isn't that high for an oil change?

Yeah, that's pretty bad, even for a Mercedes Dealer. Maybe they told you the car had a broken rhubarb or something, and it cost $4500 to put in a new one, and YOU BELIEVED them and let them do it.

My best friend has a 1989 Rolls Royce Silver Something, I don't know the model name of it.

When you take the car into the Rolls Royce dealer in San Francisco to the service Department, you get the *very* best coffee, and biscotti's there.

They even give you a fresh cut rose to take home to your wife. (That is what he told me a couple of days ago).

I would have thought a lily would have been more appropriate.

MTI · #41 08-14-2009, 03:09 PM

Hey Mr. Beck, Do We Have the Best Health Care System in the World Or Not?

It might depend if your health coverage is through CNN or FNC.

aklim · #42 08-14-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Yeah, that's pretty bad, even for a Mercedes Dealer.

Maybe they told you the car had a broken rhubarb or something, and it cost $4500 to put in a new one, and YOU BELIEVED them and let them do it.

Yes, $5000 for the oil change is pretty bad. However, how does it look when they change the oil and find coolant in it. Traced back to a cracked head. When it includes all that fixing although the initial reason you went there was to change oil, I'd say it was pretty reasonable. I guess my point is that you cannot be sure what was done in this hospital so how do you know whether $78K is reasonable or not? I admit that $78K for a rattlesnake bite might be a real sexy story but as they say, the devil is in the details. You do realize that the anti-venom which used to be horse based is responsible for a lot of severe allergic reactions, right? Now the newer one is sheep based and SUPPOSEDLY has lower rates of allergic reactions. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_rattlesnake_bites_in_californi.html is a good place to start. I know it is about dogs but the reactions would be similar in humans. Most rattlers have hemotoxins injected into you. One has a neurotoxin. Unfortunately you seem to be thinking of the cowboy movies where you get bitten, tie it off, have someone suck it out and you are fine. Great for movies. Not so good for real life.

Perhaps so but that is another kettle of fish altogether isn't it? Unless in the case of that woman, you have evidence of fraud, that is.

MTUpower · #43 08-14-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

No, its really not. If given the chance to move there I'd surely take it.

1. Couldn't afford to.
2. My family is in the USA.
3. My wife is in school.
4. Wife's family is in USA.
5. Times are difficult there too.

Life is full of choices. If you really wanted to you would make the choices that would lead you to living in Europe. None of these reasons you listed are insurmountable. You make your own "chances".
I am not a republican, nor did I ever vote for either Bush.
I chose jobs that I knew would keep me, and made the sacrifices needed so that they felt they needed to keep me, and those jobs had health care as part of the position. I had other job offers that paid more money, but made the choice to not take them because of what I felt was best for me and my family. Everyone makes choices, and they have to live with the futurity of those choices. You are sour because your past choices are not panning out like you thought they would. If "you" made bad choices and are getting skinned knees for those choices, I don't want to share in your pain. I certainly do not get to share in your wealth if you made spectacular choices now do I?

Ara T. · #44 08-14-2009, 07:15 PM

I think health issues scare people because the perception is they can ruin your level of success through no fault of your own.

By and large, Americans like the idea of a meritocratic system in which people have a roughly equal starting point, and the ending point is up to the individual. One role they assign to the government then is to reduce the randomness that affects one’s starting point – liberals more so than conservatives but it’s probably a distinction of details (disagreement over what policies help even out those starting points, not over whether it’s a good general goal or not).

Health insurance costs are a significant burden on anyone starting from a lower rung, but without it an appendectomy or a freak infection can cripple their careers. To some, that feels too much like Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle and not enough like a modern civilized nation.

But we wouldn’t be having this conversation if we were satisfied with private health care.

aklim · #45 08-14-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Life is full of choices. If you really wanted to you would make the choices that would lead you to living in Europe. None of these reasons you listed are insurmountable. You make your own "chances".

I am not a republican, nor did I ever vote for either Bush.

Everyone makes choices, and they have to live with the futurity of those choices. You are sour because your past choices are not panning out like you thought they would.

If "you" made bad choices and are getting skinned knees for those choices, I don't want to share in your pain. I certainly do not get to share in your wealth if you made spectacular choices now do I?

Since I did, I can't say why he cannot either. None of the reasons were reasons I didn't have at the time.

In this case, I voted for the O-man since he was the LOTE.

I think the issue is that people want the right to make choices but yet want the security of not having to suffer the consequences. We always hear of (insert right here) rights. Somehow, the responsibility part never seems to appear.

But doesn't it follow also that if you insist that "we are in this together" and I have to share in your pain, shouldn't I have the right to share in your excellent choices?