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This is not a scientific poll, just my own observations. Near where I live there are a couple of trailer parks. Every one of the trailers has a satellite dish on it. Most of them have a late model truck or SUV with fancy rims on them parked in front. As I have done repairs on a good portion of them I have seen the inside, and most have big screen TV's and a X-box or 2. There is also a large amount of Obama paraphernalia-bumper stickers, posters etc. The ones that I have talked to all say the same thing-I can't afford health insurance, and I voted for Obama because he is going to make it free. Even one of my good friends who has a lot of expensive toys and takes nice vacations often said the same thing. Same with my sister. My newest vehicle is 10 years old. I don't have satellite or cable TV. The vacations for my family have been pretty scarce lately. We have had to cut back on a lot of luxuries, But I STILL HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE! I wonder how many of the supposed 47 million who don't have insurance could actually afford it if they made it a PRIORITY. Cars, electronic gadgets, fancy clothes, vacations etc. are not necessities. Maybe before the govt. gives someone free healthcare they should do an audit on their assets and habits. If you smoke , drink, or use drugs you are automatically disqualified. You must give all your unnecessary assets to the govt. to sell off to help offset the cost. You must be a LEGAL citizen of the U S. I bet that would cut that 47 million down quite a bit.
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I get it, a "class warfare" thread. Curse those poor people, how dare they be poor!
Perhaps a trip into the real world might help. Currently, if you are a 50 yr old self-employed person with a pre-existing condition, a guy on Death Row has better health insurance then you would if it was you. What do you think about that? Also, there is nothing "free" in this bill. Anyone who signs for the public option agrees to allow the government to attach either their paychecks or their income tax return for any owed premium payments, and when not working, one pays his insurance premiums with "credits" that must later be paid. Ultimately though, we need to look at society as it now exists: Veteran? A government run sliding-scale healthcare system. Fine by the insurance companies too, veterans generally have catastrophic or chronic health problems that they ain't going to make any money on, so the insurance companies don't want them and were glad to pawn them off on Uncle Sugar. Retired? A government run sliding-scale healthcare system. Fine by the insurance companies too, oldsters generally have catastrophic or chronic health problems too that they ain't going to make any money on, and once again, the insurance companies don't want them and were glad to pawn them off on Uncle Sugar once again.... A low income kid? A government run sliding-scale healthcare system. Fine by the insurance companies too, kids don't have jobs, they ain't going to make any money on them either, so they don't want them. A government employee? A government run sliding-scale healthcare system that I haven't heard of any enmass-exit by Republicans from, in fact, we don't hear old people, poor people with kids, or veterans screaming to be released from that evil old public care do we? But..... A middle class chump? Hey, you got the bucks, let's a have a system where my profits are based on you getting screwed! That's what we have today, and you say it's better? The insurance company got rid of all the risk pools as the years went by, and increased your costs by triple, soon to be four fold and more, while consuming 15-18% of the GNP while other nations only average 8% GNP - trillons in money going to marketing, corporate jets, fat CEO salries, waste and profits. Curse those trailer park people! The real problem isn't poverty, it's greed. A public option would cause the fat and lazy insurance companies in our rigged health care system to compete with a low cost provider and give those trailer park people a place to go for insurance they can afford instead of the ER where the real cost ends up on the backs of local taxpayers, and the greedy will stop at nothing to stop it. Last edited by JollyRoger; 08-26-2009 at 12:11 PM. |
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I am with you on the big-screen TV thing. I wish I knew how those people could be educated and/or shamed into realizing that they don't need that stuff. On the other hand, I also know a few uninsured people who are working multiple jobs, driving lousy old cars, and generally going without.
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Well, an Xbox is worth 3 stitches. I guess they could always sell it if they get a minor cut. If they need an MRI, the tv covers that, but then they'll have to hope nothing is found.
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The reverse is true, they can get a new trailer for a kidney.
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I think a lot of people who don't have health insurance don't want it because (a) they're young and taking the gamble that nothing will happen to them, and (b) they just don't want to find a way to pay for it because they don't think they're going to need it. I hate insurance too, but I pay for it.
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The OP is saying what I've said many times- the poor do not understand economics as well as the rich: buying big rims for a car and a large flat screen instead of health insurance is a prime example of the economic stupidity we are dealing with in the USA, and now they want me and my kids to pay for that stupidity. And you agree with those rim buying flat screen short sighted idiots and even go so far as to say you are one of them? |
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I don't understand what the evil in flat screen tvs and rims is. First, you assume they weren't purchased with savings. Second, as I pointed out already, the money spent on them would cover one for maybe 2 or 3 months.
And if you think for a minute that there aren't rich or middle class people living beyond their means, you're either new to this country or crazy. From one end to the other our society is debt ridden, credit card laden, and overstuffed. It's one flat screen for the poor and it's one flat screen in the family room, bedroom, and maybe kid's room for the middle class, and it's one flat screen for every room and bathroom for the rich. It appears the majority of the American population doesn't understand economics. If you have health insurance, you already pay for others' stupidity. Some idiot also getting health insurance from the same company as you can stick his head in a microwave, get cancer, and you pay for it. That's private insurance. The only difference is in how you (your employer) pay. Cut a check, or pay a tax. Either way you don't have the money, and it goes to taking care of someone else.
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X2 to JR post and to tankdriver's post
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that was not my point. I don't care what people do with their lives or their monies. just don't ask me to help pay for their lives
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