Isnt this just wonderfull. Senate Democracts clear health care hurdle - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

C280 Sport · #1 12-21-2009, 12:57 PM

Just wonderfull. Just what we need

need.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34498942/ns/politics-health_care_reform/?GT1=43001

#2 12-21-2009, 01:01 PM

About time they got off dead center. Either do it or not, don't spend half a year playing games. Time to get past this and do other things.

C280 Sport · #3 12-21-2009, 01:04 PM

All the damn issues in the world and they want to sit and screw around with this stupid bill. Much more important things to worry about.

#4 12-21-2009, 01:07 PM

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All the damn issues in the world and they want to sit and screw around with this stupid bill. Much more important things to worry about.

Well, it's finally done. I don't know what's next on the agenda?

JollyRoger · #5 12-21-2009, 04:02 PM

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Well, it's finally done. I don't know what's next on the agenda?

It is not actually "done". This vote simply ends debate. The next hurdle is the Conference Committee, where the House and Senate bills will be reconciled. Then we will have a final bill. This thing has another month to go.

#6 12-21-2009, 04:05 PM

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It is not actually "done". This vote simply ends debate. The next hurdle is the Conference Committee, where the House and Senate bills will be reconciled. Then we will have a final bill. This thing has another month to go.

I understand, but it's a done deal and it's off the floor now. There should be a pretty quick vote when it comes back from committee. The house members will not be happy, but they're not going to vote against it.

JollyRoger · #7 12-21-2009, 04:00 PM

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All the damn issues in the world and they want to sit and screw around with this stupid bill. Much more important things to worry about.

Not one Republican has been involved in this bill. Not one has voted for it. At this point, it is a compromise among Democrats. Why do you even care at all? Thanks for letting us govern.

C280 Sport · #8 12-21-2009, 04:12 PM

[QUOTE=JollyRoger;2365479] Why do you even care at all?QUOTE]

Why do I care at all? Hows this sound. My wife and I are both self employed and pay OVER $12,000 A YEAR FOR MEDICAL INSCURANCE!!! Does that answer your question? Plus I am a US citizen

and have a right to opinion.

tonkovich · #9 12-21-2009, 09:23 PM

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Why do you even care at all?QUOTE]

Why do I care at all? Hows this sound. My wife and I are both self employed and pay OVER $12,000 A YEAR FOR MEDICAL INSCURANCE!!! Does that answer your question? Plus I am a US citizen

and have a right to opinion.

sounds like you'd benefit from socialized medicine. no? like every country in europe, as well as canada?

C280 Sport · #10 12-21-2009, 10:11 PM

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sounds like you'd benefit from socialized medicine. no? like every country in europe, as well as canada?

No way would I benefit. I would be paying for my family and for someone else. If anything I am getting screwed by the Gov. even more because my taxes will go up.

Mistress · #11 12-24-2009, 09:07 AM

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All the damn issues in the world and they want to sit and screw around with this stupid bill. Much more important things to worry about.

It becomes important when YOU don't have health care.

SirNik84 · #12 12-21-2009, 01:09 PM

gloating

dynalow · #13 12-21-2009, 01:21 PM

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gloating

Over this smelly pile of dung?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704398304574598130440164954.html

.................The truth is that no one really knows how much ObamaCare will cost because its assumptions on paper are so unrealistic. To hide the cost increases created by other parts of the bill and transfer them onto the federal balance sheet, the Senate sets up government-run "exchanges" that will subsidize insurance for those earning up to 400% of the poverty level, or $96,000 for a family of four in 2016. Supposedly they would only be offered to those whose employers don't provide insurance or work for small businesses.

As Eugene Steuerle of the left-leaning Urban Institute points out, this system would treat two workers with the same total compensation—whatever the mix of cash wages and benefits—very differently. Under the Senate bill, someone who earned $42,000 would get $5,749 from the current tax exclusion for employer-sponsored coverage but $12,750 in the exchange. A worker making $60,000 would get $8,310 in the exchanges but only $3,758 in the current system.

For this reason Mr. Steuerle concludes that the Senate bill is not just a new health system but also "a new welfare and tax system" that will warp the labor market. Given the incentives of these two-tier subsidies, employers with large numbers of lower-wage workers like Wal-Mart may well convert them into "contractors" or do more outsourcing. As more and more people flood into "free" health care, taxpayer costs will explode.

• Political intimidation. The experts who have pointed out such complications have been ignored or dismissed as "ideologues" by the White House. Those parts of the health-care industry that couldn't be bribed outright, like Big Pharma, were coerced into acceding to this agenda. The White House was able to, er, persuade the likes of the AMA and the hospital lobbies because the federal government will control 55% of total U.S. health spending under ObamaCare, according to the Administration's own Medicare actuaries.

Others got hush money, namely Nebraska's Ben Nelson. Even liberal Governors have been howling for months about ObamaCare's unfunded spending mandates: Other budget priorities like education will be crowded out when about 21% of the U.S. population is on Medicaid, the joint state-federal program intended for the poor. Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman calculates that ObamaCare will result in $2.5 billion in new costs for his state that "will be passed on to citizens through direct or indirect taxes and fees," as he put it in a letter to his state's junior Senator.

So in addition to abortion restrictions, Mr. Nelson won the concession that Congress will pay for 100% of Nebraska Medicaid expansions into perpetuity. His capitulation ought to cost him his political career, but more to the point, what about the other states that don't have a Senator who's the 60th vote for ObamaCare?......................

How does Mary Landreau feel now?

PaulC · #14 12-21-2009, 01:52 PM

About time that the fat cats out there start paying their fair share of taxes.

C280 Sport · #15 12-21-2009, 02:08 PM

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About time that the fat cats out there start paying their fair share of taxes.

If it wasn't for the fat cats NO ONE would ever have a job. I employ people in what I do. People come to me for jobs. I definatly pay my share. Who do you think pays the taxes in American? Its definatly not the poor people thats for sure. So I dont know why people say "The rich need to pay their fair share"- Obama is pissing away their money. They pay the most in taxes. So you tell me. Do they pay a fair share??

Gov. needs to cut back. Stop telling people to cut back. People spending money helps the economy. Gov spending money is a nightmare because its like handing then an open check book. Gov. needs to cut back if anything and give tax breaks to more companies to create jobs.