Ah, sorry, but we've broken it down for you to Alinsky's communist essence.

This may all be above your comprehension level. I don't know.....

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You have? Where?

Democracy is nothing more than the ability of the people to vote for their government/leaders/etc. What Alinsky was doing had nothing to do with that.

Of course not. It's entirely possible that the "middle class" you so despise could become the miniority in the US, and that will be catastropically bad for the US, in my opinion, though no doubt not in yours.

- Peter.

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All your insults aside, I certainly don't despise the middle class, what I despise is the social injustice in this country. Alinsky was an effective organizer of the powerless, and we know that is the heart of your problem with him. Democracy was everything about Alinsky. He made it work for millions, like I said, tough break for you guys.

Actually you do not understand me. It's possible that the middle class could have damaging views which it would be positive to combat. Perhaps I should have been more precise but then I thought I had been in a previous post. No matter I'll try to be so now.

The middle class values of which I speak are fundamentally an acceptance of personal responsibility which is the foundation upon which civilized society is built. Absent that and you simply have a descent into a situation where society has subcontracted the tasks of adulthood to the state and it's populace exist in a permanent state of adolescence, like western europe. Or, closer to home where they degenerate into a state of primitive animalism, like the south side of Chicago, Alinsky's and Obama's old playground and the subjet of the article I posted that you couldn't even bring yourself to read, on account of it's un politcally correct sponsers.

So much for the liberal concept of tolerence of differnt opinions.

- Peter.

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Then you know nothing.

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I think that already happened while you weren't paying attention; the traditional middle class (at least your concept of it), is long gone. Sorry.

Maybe if you find a DeLorian and get it up to 88 mph, you can get back to your own time.

I am waiting for you to point out otherwise. Alinsky wrote a handbook for organizers. He organized voting blocks in Chicago. What exactly else did he DO according to yo u that shows "I know nothing"? So far, he thought, wrote and worked for what he believed in. Where is the evil?

A fact here and there would help you. Did Chicago become a Communist commune because of him? Something specific besides ranting, please.

This may well be above your comprehension level....as I previously stated.

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Possibly true. But society is malleable. And might need to be malled back into an acceptable condition.

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You better go back to those schools and get the taxpayer’s money wasted on educating you back!

I have not claimed Alinsky was a communist! I’ve only disputed propaganda claiming he was not a communist!

But I won’t bother to address your tortured attempt to mis-direct, we're not talking about anything other than Alinsky being a communist. You’ve posted your disinformation which proved absolutely nothing, it’s been demonstrated that in your post he wasn’t asked and he did not state that he was not a communist.

I simply posted the preceding question and answer wherein Alinsky state's "I was in charge of a big part of fund raising for the International Brigade and in that capacity I worked in close alliance with the Communist Party."

The International Brigade was an effort by Comintern; Alinsky says he was in charge of a big part of fund raising for it! You’ve provided no evidence that Alinsky was anything other than a communist in radical organizer clothing and Alinsky provided us with evidence he was. I’ll venture that if he was not interviewed by the NKVD by default Comintern viewed him as a communist! I don’t have any access to NKVD records of the time but maybe someone of your fellow travelers do, if so we’ll all be happy to learn about it.


Using foreign Communist Parties to recruit volunteers for Spain was first proposed in the Soviet Union in September 1936 – apparently at the suggestion of Maurice Thorez[2] - by Willi Münzenberg, chief of Comintern propaganda for Western Europe. As a security measure, non-Communist volunteers would first be interviewed by an NKVD agent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Brigades

The Comintern ("Communist International", also known as the Third International) was an international Communist organization founded in Moscow in March 1919. The International intended to fight "by all available means, including armed force, for the overthrow of the international bourgeoisie and for the creation of an international Soviet republic as a transition stage to the complete abolition of the State."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comintern

The Abraham Lincoln Brigade was made up of volunteers from all walks of American life, and from all classes. Many of the people who volunteered for the Abraham Lincoln Brigade were official members of the Communist Party USA or affiliated with other socialist or anarchist organizations, such as the Uruguayan Hugo Fernández Artucio.[citation needed] Members of the Industrial Workers of the World ("Wobblies") were also represented. It is sometimes thought to be the first American military unit to be commanded by a black officer, Oliver Law.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_Battalion

Oliver Law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Law

Do you?

Let me know how that works out for you. It would certainly be a first.

hey, i do.

it was an attempt to stop the spread of fascism, in particular that espoused by mr. franco, who allied himself with that fun-loving fascist, mr. hitler. many individuals not aligned with moscow also went to spain to fight valiantly (and futilely) against this fearful spectre. they were bombed by junkers 88's, lent by mr. hitler, and, sadly, they were sabotaged by internal strife and mismanagement, some of it no doubt because of the influence and desire for control of those answering to moscow. nevertheless, it was a noble effort for many, and anyone associated with the anti-fascists should be respected and honored, not wrongly slurred by "guilt by association" (even though in the 1950's in the united states, sadly, they were.)
orwell wrote of the horror of this war, as did hemingway; for whom the bell tolls is a wonderful, beautiful work.

the triumph of franco in spain certainly sent a message to mussolini and hitler.

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Like hell they should. If they truly gave a crap about freedom and human rights sure, if they were simply a front for the reds then BS.

You're right, Orwell wrote about the war of which he had first hand knowledge having volunteered for the brigades like so many other idealists. Unlike other though he had the courage to see it for what it was and pulled no punches about it. Which earned him no friends amongst the rest of the myopic volunteers who continued as communist apologists for decades thereafter.

- Peter.

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