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Did I say otherwise?
Where did I say what you said did?


And now, the story takes the inevitable icky turn . . .

CA Attorney Calling Tebow's Mom A Fibber

The pro-choice heroine and lawyer is busy trying to paint Pam Tebow a liar, saying because the Philippines outlaws abortion, she finds it hard to believe that doctors would recommend the procedure.

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focus on the family.

The group supports the teaching of "traditional family values". It advocates school sponsored prayer and supports corporal punishment.[7] It strongly opposes abortion, so-called militant feminism, homosexuality, pornography, and pre-marital and extramarital sexual activity. Focus on the Family also embraces and reflects the wider political agenda of its audience, for instance promoting a religiously-centered conception of American identity and the support of Israel.
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Brings to mind the movie with Jimmy Stewart, "A Wonderful Life" - and my congratulations to your son, and your family for having him.

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focus on the family.

The group supports the teaching of "traditional family values". It advocates school sponsored prayer and supports corporal punishment.[7] It strongly opposes abortion, so-called militant feminism, homosexuality, pornography, and pre-marital and extramarital sexual activity. Focus on the Family also embraces and reflects the wider political agenda of its audience, for instance promoting a religiously-centered conception of American identity and the support of Israel.
Is all that somehow relevant to the discussion about whether or not the ad should be aired?
Does free speech apply only to groups whose actions and views with whom you agree?
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Old 02-01-2010, 07:07 PM
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Does free speech apply only to groups whose actions and views with whom you agree?

Commercial broadcasting is the exact opposite of "free speech." Just ask Howard Stern.
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Is all that somehow relevant to the discussion about whether or not the ad should be aired?
Does free speech apply only to groups whose actions and views with whom you agree?
I don't think it is relevent.

As you know, "free speech" only applies to restrictions imposed by the government.
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I don't think it is relevent.

As you know, "free speech" only applies to restrictions imposed by the government.
Of course, but it is revelatory to see how people would restrict speech, if only they had the power.
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Of course, but it is revelatory to see how people would restrict speech, if only they had the power.

Who in this thread has stated anything revelatory about restricting speech?
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Is all that somehow relevant to the discussion about whether or not the ad should be aired?
Does free speech apply only to groups whose actions and views with whom you agree?
uh, you seem to want to restrict my right to post facts about "focus on the family"?

why?

they are involved with this ad, no? or did i miss something?
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uh, you seem to want to restrict my right to post facts about "focus on the family"?

why?

they are involved with this ad, no? or did i miss something?
Hey, no cutting in line, wait your turn! I'm still owed a response of how I supposedly misquoted him.
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Hey, no cutting in line, wait your turn! I'm still owed a response of how I supposedly misquoted him.
obviously, we didn't receive enough corporal punishment, nor did we pray enough while in school.
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Prayer was common during math exams . . . then I found out from Jim Morrison that "you cannot petition the lord with prayer."
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You have probably heard about the pro-life ad by Tim Tivo and his mom. She was advised to terminate her pregnancy,but made the decision to carry it to term. As a result, Tim who may be the best college football player ever, was born.
Yet, to hear the outcry from some portions of the left, you'd think the ad was advocating outlawing all abortion.
Fairly typical. In my experience the Left favors freedon speech ONLY when they agree with it. All, other speech is to be limited, regulated, restricted or made illegal.

So what's your take?
Is even this speech to be allowed?
to be honest (and factual) the ad is anti-abortion. (pro-life is a "spin" term developed by the "anti abortion" crowd to make their desire for control of women seem more palatable. )

Both "pro-choice" and "pro-life" are examples of terms labeled as political framing: they are terms which purposely try to define their philosophies in the best possible light, while by definition attempting to describe their opposition in the worst possible light. "Pro-choice" implies that the alternative viewpoint is "anti-choice", while "pro-life" implies the alternative viewpoint is "pro-death" or "anti-life"[41]. Similarly each side's use of the term "rights" ("reproductive rights", "right to life of the unborn") implies a validity in their stance, given that the presumption in language is that rights are inherently a good thing and so implies an invalidity in the viewpoint of their opponents.
The Associated Press encourages journalists to use the terms "abortion rights" and "anti-abortion".[4

by the way, i am merely freely expressing the facts of the matter. surely no real american would object to that?
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and i thought it was about she dident have Him aborted and he turned out to be a good KID who would have guessed

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It would be nice to know the particulars of Ms. Tebo's pre-natal medical difficulties. Was it a case of pre-eclampsia or something more serious. I've heard a lot of 'testimonies' in my day that were exaggerated.

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