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Old 03-18-2010, 03:51 PM
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my curiosity was peaked when I noticed several cop cars located directly
in front of the store. I then asked the door greeter what was going
on. he then told me they come 4-5 times a day to arrest people
for shoplifting, a violation of store policy.

speaking of "legal opinions", here's one for you. the word or term
"POLice" literally means "POLicy enforcement". they enforce policies
which are dictated by POLiticians. other policies "might" get
enforced, i.e. such as "store policy", especially if the local POLiticians
own a bundle of stock in the company store.
I thought we were talking about price comparison and them arresting you for that. So what is wrong with arresting people for shoplifting? It is a big store and many items are out there and thus tempting.

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Old 03-18-2010, 04:05 PM
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I thought we were talking about price comparison and them arresting you for that. So what is wrong with arresting people for shoplifting? It is a big store and many items are out there and thus tempting.
the time has come to find the actual posted Wallie world policy to clear
this little matter up. kinda like the posting on a box of cigarettes:
smoking these might kill you. you have been forewarned.

same with wally world's posting of a policy in customer service. you have
been forewarned. act in a reasonable fashion, and they bag your
goodies and out the door you go. act in violation of a posted policy
and they will bring in the policy enforcement agency so that you
get a better understanding of the store policy.
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Old 03-18-2010, 04:27 PM
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the time has come to find the actual posted Wallie world policy to clear
this little matter up. kinda like the posting on a box of cigarettes:
smoking these might kill you. you have been forewarned.

same with wally world's posting of a policy in customer service. you have
been forewarned. act in a reasonable fashion, and they bag your
goodies and out the door you go. act in violation of a posted policy
and they will bring in the policy enforcement agency so that you
get a better understanding of the store policy.
Which differs from Target, Best Buy, the local Subway, etc, etc, how? I have seen someone get hauled away for soliciting.

Know what? I have gone to many stores and was thrown out of a few for getting frisky with the then girlfriend, now wife.
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Old 03-18-2010, 05:32 PM
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Which differs from Target, Best Buy, the local Subway, etc, etc, how? I have seen someone get hauled away for soliciting.

Know what? I have gone to many stores and was thrown out of a few for getting frisky with the then girlfriend, now wife.
thanks for sharing that. your story further proves the point. when in
Rome do as the Romans do. it is their store, therefore they set the rules
for the customers. best to know and understand the rules up front
before stepping foot on the premises.

especially policies concerning loss, damage or theft of your personal items. as in so sorry your car was stolen while shopping here at the big box store but WE own the rights to the video cameras, etc etc. and choose not to provide the footage to you.

either spend money or get lost.

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Old 03-18-2010, 05:34 PM
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I then asked the door greeter what was going
on. he then told me they come 4-5 times a day to arrest people
for shoplifting, a violation of store policy.
No surprise there at all - except, they were NOT arrested for violating store policy.

They were arrested for a criminal violation - theft. Big difference. WalMart, big and ugly as they are, can't write laws. They have zero power to institute a policy which will result in one's arrest, for an action that isn't already illegal.

Which is exactly why, they demand you leave and/or never return if you don't follow policies that carry no weight of the law - such as price comparison, photography, showing your receipt on your way out, or any other legal activity on their premises they don't like. By doing so, you are committing trespass if you refuse to leave - another arrestable offense in it's own right.
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Old 03-18-2010, 05:41 PM
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especially policies concerning loss, damage or theft of your personal items. as in so sorry your car was stolen while shopping here at the big box store but WE own the rights to the video cameras, etc etc. and choose not to provide the footage to you.
Why would they want to get involved in your case? When I saw someone steal at their store, should I have turned them in and bear witness, etc, etc? Hell no.

On a side note, Best Buy had a good policy to motivate employees to watch the store. They figure out, based on sales, how much is the max loss to shrink. Go under and they cut the store a check. 60% goes to the store for security cameras, theft strips, etc, etc. 40% to be divided among the employees. Check came out to under $500 every 6 months. You bet I will try stop you if I am an employee. Today, I am NOT an employee. Well go steal for all I care.
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No surprise there at all - except, they were NOT arrested for violating store policy.

They were arrested for a criminal violation - theft. Big difference. WalMart, big and ugly as they are, can't write laws. They have zero power to institute a policy which will result in one's arrest, for an action that isn't already illegal.

Which is exactly why, they demand you leave and/or never return if you don't follow policies that carry no weight of the law - such as price comparison, photography, showing your receipt on your way out, or any other legal activity on their premises they don't like. By doing so, you are committing trespass if you refuse to leave - another arrestable offense in it's own right.
it is against store policy to shoplift. this policy simply happens to coincide with the local criminal code. make no mistake, if the video surveillence
security observers (and YOU might be surprised to know who sits behind the cameras) believes you are a threat to the big box empire, they will make it their business to see that you go down. think casino security force and you'll get the picture.......
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Old 03-18-2010, 06:44 PM
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make no mistake, if the video surveillence
security observers (and YOU might be surprised to know who sits behind the cameras) believes you are a threat to the big box empire, they will make it their business to see that you go down. think casino security force and you'll get the picture.......
Know a store that won't do that? You come into my store, sit down and take a nap and I will ask you to leave. You scratch the family jewels in McDs and they will ask you to leave or get the cops involved. What do you expect?
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:26 PM
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Walmart and RVers:

Off the beaten path here -

But there's ongoing heated debates on forums I post on involving whether we can or cannot legally park overnight on Walmart's private property in our RVs when out and about in the country.......

Many RVers almost dictate that you are to ask the WM store mgr-director before spending the night on their lots. These RVers want all of us to do it.


I counter with the following arguements:

I argue that when I stop at a WM to buy diesel fuel from Murphy's Oil on the edge of WM's lot - that I don't ask/beg permission of the store mgr. to spend $150.00 on a tank of diesel for my coach - nor do I ask/beg the store mgr's permission when parking on WM's lot to spend $100 on groceries, beer, wine, charcoal - supplies when on the road in my coach.....

Another reason that many WMs do not allow overnighting is actually cited in a city's code especially in Florida - seems many RV park owners get city councils to outlaw overnighting on commercial parking lots in their city - so the RVers have to spend money with the RV parks.

Here's my arguement - how can a city municipality demand WM's private property cannot allow an RVer on their property especially when the WM does not call the police or care if the RV is there overnight?

This is a huge bone of contention among RVers - I have parked my diesel coaches when travelling overnight on WM lots since 1987 - and have a don't ask - don't tell personal policy when pulling into a WM anywhere in the country.

Twice - once in Orlando, FL & once in Dallas, TX. the WM rent-a-security car guy has met my coach instantly when I pulled onto their lots - and asked if I was intending to spend the night - in broad daylight - and related that city ordinance forbid it - however, were I to go in and get the WM store mgr's permission that I would then be cleared by the mgr. to spend the night.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:42 PM
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Many RVers almost dictate that you are to ask the WM store mgr-director before spending the night on their lots. These RVers want all of us to do it.

Here's my arguement - how can a city municipality demand WM's private property cannot allow an RVer on their property especially when the WM does not call the police or care if the RV is there overnight?

Twice - once in Orlando, FL & once in Dallas, TX. the WM rent-a-security car guy has met my coach instantly when I pulled onto their lots - and asked if I was intending to spend the night - in broad daylight - and related that city ordinance forbid it - however, were I to go in and get the WM store mgr's permission that I would then be cleared by the mgr. to spend the night.
I would and have done it just as a courtesy. You are on their property, after all. Much like my neighbor asks me if she can park in my driveway till she shovels out the snow. If she does it and I am not around, she still tells me what she did. Again, it is a courtesy issue. If you are rude, I might just not allow any RV people there. We ride ATVs and some clowns drove their machines onto this guy's property and tipped his wagon. Next year, no more riding thru.

Here is my argument. I am a jackass and I am suing you. Now what? Well, you can fight it or lump it. Wal*Mart has to hire a lawyer to fight it. To what end? I don't know that they see enough RV people to justify spending that kind of money.

Dunno. Maybe they made the mgr report it or something. Hard to say. Why is it in Madison, your shed can be 3 feet away from the building and in another town, it must be 10 feet? City ordinance.
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Old 03-18-2010, 09:06 PM
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In my inbred corner of the country, people will try to move in to Wal-Mart parking lots (much closer to Keystone, John Deer Themed Merchandise, and mini pizza!!) so anyone who lingers in a vehicle that takes up more than one spot is scrutinised.

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