If you want your car looking like a $100 240D that has been sitting for 10 years under an oak tree.. sure!

But I like my paint and clearcoat to be buttery smooth with as little imperfections and swirls as possible. Which is why I take care of my paint and clearcoat. I don't have to clay, polish, seal, wax, or even wash my cabriolet.. but I like having water bead right off leaving no water spots or acid rain etching my clear coat and making me have to polish the car more than it needs.

But hey that's just me. Don't let the members over at autiopia.org know this secret. It'd surely save hundreds if not thousands of dollars and put a lot of hard working individuals and companies out of business. As well as save me 8 hours of my time every 6 months.

oh dear.

now you're just being a drama queen.

I seriously doubt you can come to such exaggerated conclusions unless you have owned more than one car, from new, for 10 years or more each.


But I promise to read more and find out if Autopia is funded through scjohnson or berkshire

I'm just saying.

It's like the whole I can run my car on unheated veggie oil argument. Sure you can run your car on it.. but is it good for your engine?

I used to wax my cars. I understand the difference that waxing provides, to some degree.

...but why is automotive paint treated so differently from every other painted surface?

If anything, due to the extreme conditions a car experiences each day, auto paint is made more durable than any other paint.

I am not saying wax doesn't help it stay cleaner or look better longer... but for the longevity of the paint..... there should be no argument.

Here's my two cents. In my observation, cars that have a clear coat gets degraded faster and look like crap if waxed regularly than cars that have not been waxed. This is over a 10-15 year period with my own cars.

The short term benefit is the waxed cars definitely look better then the unwaxed counter part. So it boils down preference.





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Wax is for weiners.

Synthetic finishes are where it's at.

I use WIZARDSPRODUCTS.COM exclusively http://WIZARDSPRODUCTS.COM

MIST 'N SHINE is all I use to keep my Mercedes-Benz looking like glass.

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I use a synthetic sealant with a traditional carnuba based wax on top. The sealent protects and the wax gives it the wet/shimmer look.

then I use Meg's Ultimate quick detailer for in between cleaning

the reasons those debates exist is due to the lack of data to each individual.

each person only has a limited window of experience. "I ran my car on Mobil1 for 5 years with no issues!!"

unless the car spontaneously combusted, this douche will continue to believe that mobil1 is the best oil out there. etc...

sure, pro detailers use wax, it makes a difference. But the idea of 'protection' , I think, is misleading.

Think about the physics of wax for a sec. Water sticks to the paint because it is a rough surface compared to something like glass. You fill all the little valleys in with the wax then smooth the top out by heating the wax with each removing stroke.

Certainly, less water and dirt can stick to this surface and maybe some acidic bird poop won't etch its mark in there.

But what about the sun? By waxing, you actually trap light waves in between the wax and the paint surface creating more harm than if the car had no wax on it. The light waves continue to bounce around until they find their way out.

Light waves can cause cancer in animals. But most of them ingest the elements you think you are protecting your paint from on a daily basis.

i'm blabbing... just something to think about.

BTDT.
Would never, ever use their oil-based, greasy products.

Wax has zilch lasting value. If you really sealed it, you wouldn't need a wax on top of it anyway.


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I think that it all boils down to the environmental conditions the car is subjected to.

If the car is subjected to a lot of rain, humidity and road grime, waxing (or applying sealant) WILL help keep the paint oiled and in effect, nice and shiny. The constant humidity and washing (w/ soap or not) from exposure to water, rain, snow or other environmental "contaminants" will strip off the wax gradually and will need to be applied on a more regular basis than when the car is exposed to constant dry weather.

If the car is exposed a lot to the sun, waxing will also help. Of course, exposure to the sun should be minimized if you want to minimize waxing and maintenance.

Instead of washing the car, I apply Quik Detailer products (Meguiars or Mothers) only after I've removed the dust.

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Dude, yer clueless and "out there," in car care products land.

But rant on - it's really hilarious!

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sad.... isn't it?
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its this little thing we call 'dialogue' not ranting. Only those people with original thought or experience are are allowed to play. I guess since you have no real substantial reply, you are not playing?

I agree with you on this base on my own experience with wax or polishes and the hot Californian desert sun we have here. I think if the product can prove UV protection, I would use it, but I don't think there is a product out there that can prove it.



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Paint seems to turn chalky and get dull after a decade of neglect. Waxing once in awhile does seem to keep paint looking better longer.

Although the best cure is to keep the car out of the sun and in a garage. Than it doesn't really matter what you use.

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and so far you are the one person with time based experience on this thread.