Originally Posted by PaulC

LarryBible isn't here right now, so I'll tell you - It's the tidy little red triangle just above the Join Date on the upper right of the post box.

Originally Posted by tonkovich

agree with all of above, except i think some "traditional valuists" (is that a word?) want to go back 300 years, not 30.

as someone once said, "nostalgia" aint what it used to be.

Originally Posted by elchivito

Well said, both of you. I'm betting if a person could have a rational conversation with an Islamic extremist, he'd eventually get around to his belief in "traditional values" too.

Originally Posted by 10fords

Larry- I know what you are talking about. When someone doesn't agree with your views they pull the racist or bigot card to try and negate your input on a subject. I am so sick of people crying racism or intolerance every time something doesn't go their way that I could just puke. There definitely is a double standard for intolerance too. Can you imagine the outcry if Kerry's post on the Pope saying it is OK for gay priests to use condoms when having sex with altar boys had said the same thing except about muslim clerics? I'm sure it would have been deleted post haste, and all kinds of cries of intolerance and bigotry would have been hurled at the OP. Don't get me wrong- I think that neither point of view, no matter how offensive, should be silenced. I understand the need to keep things civil, but it seems that its OK to offend people with traditional values, but heaven help you if you don't accept and acknowledge moral relativism in all its forms. All that being said- If something offends you just ignore it. If a troll can't find anyone to argue with they will wither up and go away. Personally I find your posts to be genuinely thought provoking and in search of real discussion in a way that is not normally seen on this forum (myself included). Unfortunately, since you seem to have traditional values you are under constant attack and threat from those who would like to silence you. Please don't let them.

Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

The poster that goes by Kerry aka Edwards obviously has personal issues to work out is why he's basically got it bad for Christianity and Catholicism. Exactly what those issues are and why they exist, is unclear. What is clear is that he's chosen this forum to exhibit his personal issues. Personally, I find it humorous in a disgustingly sad way for him, but since he is a nameless, faceless individual, shame doesn't seem to stop him from posting his childish rants. Edwards (alias Kerry) did pick up an infraction for his latest work I noticed. Deservedly so.

Originally Posted by Billybob

And, I never imagined it could ever get any clearer!

I'll ignore the obvious diametrically opposite statements regarding the lobbying for infractions for now as there appears to be no interest in addressing that!


According to the info you've provided, people can lobby for infractions against member, and 40% will be successful!



It is a real shame that the 60% of unsuccessful efforts are not exposed, I'm certain that it would be very interesting to know who is, and the nature and extent of the majority "unsuccessful" reporting!


And the fact that infractions lobbied successfully for by people in no way constitute an attempt to lobby for elimination of a member which through aggregation of infractions will not be successful, is just another blessing to be thankful for!

Originally Posted by tonkovich

yes, good work joe. if you can't deal with the truth, why... blame the messenger. that's a new one.

not to worry, though, i'm sure the good lord will reward you in the afterlife for your fearless devotion to.... money, motorcoaches, warren buffett and the republican party, all of which, i am sure, are part of the christian belief system.

Originally Posted by 10fords

Larry- I know what you are talking about. When someone doesn't agree with your views they pull the racist or bigot card to try and negate your input on a subject. I am so sick of people crying racism or intolerance every time something doesn't go their way that I could just puke. There definitely is a double standard for intolerance too. Can you imagine the outcry if Kerry's post on the Pope saying it is OK for gay priests to use condoms when having sex with altar boys had said the same thing except about muslim clerics? I'm sure it would have been deleted post haste, and all kinds of cries of intolerance and bigotry would have been hurled at the OP. Don't get me wrong- I think that neither point of view, no matter how offensive, should be silenced. I understand the need to keep things civil, but it seems that its OK to offend people with traditional values, but heaven help you if you don't accept and acknowledge moral relativism in all its forms. All that being said- If something offends you just ignore it. If a troll can't find anyone to argue with they will wither up and go away. Personally I find your posts to be genuinely thought provoking and in search of real discussion in a way that is not normally seen on this forum (myself included). Unfortunately, since you seem to have traditional values you are under constant attack and threat from those who would like to silence you. Please don't let them.

Originally Posted by 10fords

There definitely is a double standard for intolerance too.

Originally Posted by elchivito

Well said, both of you. I'm betting if a person could have a rational conversation with an Islamic extremist, he'd eventually get around to his belief in "traditional values" too.

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

While it's obvious to most members that your ongoing rants of bias have no merit or basis in fact, personally, as the moderator, I'd like to qualify the above sentence:

If this "double standard" exists on this forum, in your mind, you are invited to post some factual support for your position.

I will absolutely be waiting to see what you find. If you cannot support your position, I'll strongly suggest that you modify your post because we won't tolerate false accusations of bias.

If however, your statement is directed at society at large, than please carry on as usual with your closed mind.

Originally Posted by chilcutt

Is lobbying to have someone banned from this forum worse than YOU threatening to 'turn ME in to Interpol,because I raised my hand and said 'I am a Muslim"
Take awhile...think about it~
InsyaAllah
Chilcutt~

Originally Posted by chilcutt

I recall a storey related to me by a good freind of my Father. He was a black man who lived in Alabama in the 40's.
He tell me about his brother who, after being hassled reapeatedly by a white man-snapped 1 day.
The brother try to stop him, but couldnt. He beat the white man to death with his bare hands.
Of course the family had to get them out of town, so they were sent to Detroit.
With all of this behind them, one brother worked for General Motors until he retired. The other one became a U.S. Marshall.
I dont condone violance- but 'Justice was served' in this case.

Chilcutt~

Originally Posted by chilcutt

Considering the fact that whites were lynching blacks..police were setting dogs on blacks, and if given a chance.. the cracker that was doing the hasseling would have surely done harm to, or killed a black person, I see that he got got, as a justfiable homicide.Got it?

Originally Posted by Billybob

Just forwarded your posts on this matter to the FBI Unsolved Capital Crime Unit, the Michigan State Police, and the Alabama Department of Public Safety(State Police) and Interpol! If nothing else maybe it will get your name into a LE data bases and maybe even put on a watch list! Inshallah!

Originally Posted by chilcutt

Both of these men are dead..Good luck with your search.
InsyaAllah

Originally Posted by Billybob

Good, then you are without excuse to not fulfill your civic obligation and provide the information you have to authorities, the family and friends of the murder victim will no doubt find some closure in knowing who the murderer is and who his accomplices are.