FYI, the hispanic population is about 20% in colorado, as opposed to about 30% in arizona and 4% in minnesota. Personally, I prefer to live in a "multicultural" area. Do you also want to blame the economy of michigan (also 4% hispanic) on "illegal" immigration? Sorry, it's just not that simple.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/08000.html

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/04000.html

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/27000.html

As will the people from mexico. You are looking at a little tiny corner of the country for a limited amount of time. In 50 years, the history books will include both in the same little, tiny paragraph on page 406 (except they won't be using actual books in school in about 2 more years).

Anybody who says illegals get nothing back is delusional. They suck the life out of social programs at an alarming rate. Just look up the statistics on Parkland Hospital in Dallas.

The bill in the House is designed to clarify the 14th Amendment. If it holds that the 14th SHOULD allow birth citizenship, you will see an amendment coming down the road. In the next 10 years you will start to see states like California going bankrupt. They are in denial right now, but it will hit home soon enough.

Its funny that liberal/Dems have proposed modeling our legal system after some of the European countries, and none of those countries allows birth citizenship.

Historically you would think the republicans would have been the most active against illegal immigration, but in fact the Democrats have been. Of course its not because they suddenly decided to love America, but because the *unions* are against immigration and they are in the back (and front) pockets of the Dem politicians.

The Democrat party requires the existence of an underclass to propogate their mantra of class warfare. The Dems look down on minorities and treat them as children that are too stupid to exist (and succeed) on their own and therefore need to be cared for by the state.

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Arizona already tried that. Problem is you have to be able to prove they are illegal which puts you into the courts. Look at the stink that's throw up anytime any authority raids a workplace that's suspected of employing illegals.

- Peter.

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It won't happen because it's not really in anyone's interest to fix this "problem." The democrats want the hispanic vote, the republicans want the small business vote, and the vast majority of americans see it as a "victimless crime." The only people who care are in the border states or are competing with them for minimum wage jobs, neither of those groups has much political influence. The IRS has bigger fish to fry, they may actually be coming out ahead on some people who have withholdings (with a fake SS number) and never file a return.

Can't coment on CO but the figure for AZ is rubbish. Vast numbers of illegals simply didn't respond to the census out of fear of deportation.

- Peter.

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No. Mexico is a failed third world narco state. It only goes downhill from there.

- Peter.

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1984 123 200
1979 116 280S
1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1971 108 280S

...and that's the problem, everyone who stay awake in their middle school civics class should understand why you can't do that. This is very similar to passing laws that "clarifies" the 2nd amendment to say you can't really own guns because that wasn't the intent of the drafters of the constitution. It says what it says; either live with it or go through the amendment process. The house bill is nothing more than a publicity stunt that will waste everyone's time.

If it bothers you, move further from the border. Personally, I like going to mexico; but they do need to clean up their government.

Persons born in the United States are citizens by virtue of their being human. As we know governments and other men can’t give or take away other’s rights. That’s the basic law in support of citizenship at birth codified by the 14th Amendment and upheld by subsequent Court rulings. Because our rights predate the government and Constitution, because no man may give or take away another’s rights, there is no authority to redefine who is or is not a citizen.

Per Plyler, therefore, the status assigned to a person by an agency – including ‘undocumented’ – is irrelevant from a legal and Constitutional standpoint; government agencies don’t determine the law or decide citizenship or rights.

The 14th Amendment was also ratified in response to Dred Scott v Sandford, where the Court ruled what Rep. King is advocating: that if one’s parents are not citizens, then the child is not a citizen. By denying African Americans their citizenship, their rights could also be denied providing legitimacy to slavery. To counter Dred Scott, then, the Framers of the 14th Amendment had to be clear and concise that any person, of any status, is a citizen if born in the United States.

You’re really comfortable with a government agency deciding who may or may not be a citizen?

Incorrect. There was no such thing as an ‘illegal alien’ in 1868, there were no immigration laws – it was an open door policy. We don’t see anything remotely related to immigration law until 1875, when the Supreme Court authorized Congress to regulate immigration.

Well I haven't read the details of the proposal, but I DO agree with the concept.
Do I think it will pass, right after the Cubs win the World Series.

As far as the consitutionality, or even some sections of the constitution, times have changed it needs to be brought into the 19th century, much less current in the 20th.
This country isn't the same as it was when the constitution was drafted, the world isn't the same, people aren't the same, technology is different ...

Simple as someone, somewhere, wrote about eliminating the Lame Duck. When the gap between election and swaring in was created it was horse and buggy. It took days or weeks to get from where you lived to DC. Not even counting it probably took a month after the election for the results to be considered complete.


I do though think this is really little more than political showboating.

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I was always taught to respect my elders.
I don't have to respect too many people anymore.

I'm not arguing for or against the bill to repeal the Birthright Citizenship Amendment.

I know that the U.S. is one of very few countries in the world (Canada is another one) that makes anyone born on its soil a citizen.

The U.K. used to as well, but they recently changed their law that if both parents are illegal, then their children are not automatically U.K. citizens.

I was reading a CNN article the past week or two on this issue, and two points stuck out in my head that I can't forget:

1 out of every 8 persons born in Mexico are living in the U.S. (legally or illegally). That's 12.5% of the population of Mexico.

Of the 4.3 million babies born in the U.S., nearly 4 million were born to illegal immigrants. That's nearly 10%.

These numbers strike me as more than just "a drop in the ocean".

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So then this bunch are simply doing what the supreme court authorized them to do.

- Peter.

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1984 123 200
1979 116 280S
1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1971 108 280S

I agree.

Half hearted, send the boys from the INS and IRS in.

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