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barry123400 · #1 05-15-2011, 01:45 PM

Eye for an eye court ruling in Iran I kind of like. The guy threw acid in a womans eyes that refused to marry him and permanently destroyed her vision. She has had 17 operations.

The court appears to have ruled that the perpretator be put to sleep and she be allowed to put acid in his eyes. As long as the state does not have to pay to support the guy to me it sounds like many more will think about it before commiting an offence of this nature.

The guy is pleading for her to only take one eye with no effect apparently. Sounds like she is a little pissed still and freely admits it. Can you really blame her? The penalty here might be two years time served and that does not seem just to me.

MTI · #2 05-15-2011, 04:14 PM

If revenge is viewed as the best remedy for an injured party, then it may be an attractive penalty, otherwise it's just going to be two blind people.

Botnst · #3 05-15-2011, 04:18 PM

Perfect, MTI.

Anglophones got away from this sort of "justice" about 3-400 years ago, to the betterment of justice for all.

The Swede · #4 05-15-2011, 04:34 PM

Circle of pain, where does it stop?

aklim · #5 05-15-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

If revenge is viewed as the best remedy for an injured party, then it may be an attractive penalty, otherwise it's just going to be two blind people.

Well, what you say has some truth. However, it doesn't take into account the fact that this blind man will serve as an example of what NOT to do. Will it deter EVERY perp? Absolutely not but it will give the next guy some idea of what awaits him should he go thru with it. So thru this blind guy, you might just save a few more people from blindness.

retmil46 · #6 05-15-2011, 08:22 PM

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Well, what you say has some truth. However, it doesn't take into account the fact that this blind man will serve as an example of what NOT to do. Will it deter EVERY perp? Absolutely not but it will give the next guy some idea of what awaits him should he go thru with it. So thru this blind guy, you might just save a few more people from blindness.

Indeed. In that part of the world, with it's current societal norms and government, that might be the only sentence, short of something even more drastic, that would truly be viewed as "punishment" by others even willing to contemplate such an act.

And it could be just enough of a shocker, even by Iranian standards, to be the kickstart that starts moving them down the path towards a judicial system similar to us Anglophones as Botnst put it.

I've made the same argument regarding the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki - it definitely sucked that those people died in such a way, and the survivors had to contend with slow deaths from radiation poisoning and genetic anomalies in their offspring - but for the rest of the world's population, having those two first-hand examples of the devastation and suffering those weapons would cause if used on a wide scale, over the past 70 or so years might have given more than one leader with his finger on the button some pause and kept them from getting an itchy trigger finger.

barry123400 · #7 05-15-2011, 08:22 PM

When the wheel was used as a method of punishment crime became almost non existant at Fort Louisbourg, Nova Scotia. It only totally stopped when the courts could find no people to administer the punishment. Even the army declined to provide executioners.

Basically on minor infractions you were strapped to the wheel and an iron bar was used to break your limbs and chest cage. If the infraction was not too severe you were then put to death.

Severe infractions you died slowley at your own pace after the punishment was applied. This was under the French justice system. The deterent seemed to be very effective as the community was a place young adventures went to from France to make their fortune fast. It acted as a very effective control and deterent it was reputed.

Todays restoration of the place does not incorporate the wheel or any mention of it. Yet to me it was a valid part of the places past and history. The French are credited with developing the justice system.

aklim · #8 05-15-2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by retmil46

Indeed. In that part of the world, with it's current societal norms and government, that might be the only sentence, short of something even more drastic, that would truly be viewed as "punishment" by others even willing to contemplate such an act.

And it could be just enough of a shocker, even by Iranian standards, to be the kickstart that starts moving them down the path towards a judicial system similar to us Anglophones as Botnst put it.

I've made the same argument regarding the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki - it definitely sucked that those people died in such a way, and the survivors had to contend with slow deaths from radiation poisoning and genetic anomalies in their offspring - but for the rest of the world's population, having those two first-hand examples of the devastation and suffering those weapons would cause if used on a wide scale, over the past 70 or so years might have given more than one leader with his finger on the button some pause and kept them from getting an itchy trigger finger.

Apparently the victim was able to. Good for her

Hopefully not. Eventually, they will get rich and egalitarian enough and try it and remove the deterrent effect.

So it is good.

MS Fowler · #9 05-15-2011, 10:03 PM

The intent of the biblical " eye for an eye", was more along the lines of a limit rather than pure vengeance.
The intent was actually " NO MORE than an eye for an eye, or tooth for a tooth. "
IOW, if someone knocks you down and breaks a tooth, you can exact that penalty, but no more. No death for and eye, or no dismemberment for a tooth. Most people erroneously think that the biblical statement was an encouragement to exact still revenge when it was really a rule to prevent excessive retribution.

kerry · #10 05-15-2011, 10:11 PM

What would be an appropriate punishment if not blinding? How many years in prison? How many years of probation? Blinding doesn't seem out of the question to me.

layback40 · #11 05-15-2011, 10:29 PM

If they steal they have their hands cut off. They dont have the same level of social security that exists in western countries so he will not be such a drain on the system. Maybe he should not be put to sleep during the procedure & it should be televised live so as to maximize the deterrent value.
You do the crime, you do the time !!

aklim · #12 05-15-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by layback40

If they steal they have their hands cut off. They dont have the same level of social security that exists in western countries so he will not be such a drain on the system. Maybe he should not be put to sleep during the procedure & it should be televised live so as to maximize the deterrent value.
You do the crime, you do the time !!

So it acts even more as a deterrent. After all, if the fine for speeding were $5, you be I will have a roll of $5 bills in my car and be speeding everywhere I go.

chilcutt · #13 05-15-2011, 10:32 PM

In that part of the world, they cut off the hand of a person convicted of stealing. In comparison, I dont think letting the woman who has been blinded, throw some acid in the cowards face that did that to her..is too extreme.
Another issue to be remembered here...is that the original crime was committed against a woman, by a man. It is very true that Islam must make some changes..and womens rights are one of the changes that need's to be made...

Let her pour the acid....

layback40 · #14 05-15-2011, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

So it acts even more as a deterrent. After all, if the fine for speeding were $5, you be I will have a roll of $5 bills in my car and be speeding everywhere I go.

If you could pay by credit card, you could buy a certain number of speeding credits & just swipe your license when caught !!

chilcutt · #15 05-15-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by layback40

If they steal they have their hands cut off. They dont have the same level of social security that exists in western countries so he will not be such a drain on the system. Maybe he should not be put to sleep during the procedure & it should be televised live so as to maximize the deterrent value.
You do the crime, you do the time !!

And for all the would-be acid pourer's...once they see this guy walking around looking like 'Freddie Cruger'..maybee they will think twice before they do something like that to a woman.