Kind of like accepting the Bible hook line and sinker???

You do know that even though there might not be mathematical or chemical basis for the evaluation, there still are bases for evaluation, right?

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You guys didn't comment on my 175 &176. I',m disappointed. What must I do?

Jeez kerry,

Is this how you teach your students to think and discourse.

You make a 200+ word statement. I respond in detail to your statement &

POOF

you jump on to something else.

I'll gladly discuss this and any other topic after we complete the prior one.

It's like talking to a 7 year-old.

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If it was a rational discipline it would be. But as someone has said since he started speaking with you, it isn't.

Absolutely. And I have much more respect for ones that do not claim rationality or scientific validity, as long as they are honest about that.

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Put a link to them in your post and if I have any utterances, then utter I will.

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I just watched Perry on CBS and he said that the guy in charge of the Fed would be treated ugly in Tx if he prints more QE money. What a tool.

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Try the utter teat, yuh ol' goat!

(J/K)

I don't know how to link.

Submission the way I interpret it requires someone to be dominate. I do not see how submission can be willing.

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To the contrary, submission is when you choose to subsume your wishes to the wishes of another. It maybe coercively induced or it maybe by free choice. For example, to freely choose to submit your will to the will of God is Islam.

I submit to government taxation. It is coercively induced, but it is still my choice.

Etc

On another note, if I were asked if I submit to my wife I would have to say, "Yes, by choice, out of love, trust and respect."
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Serious here and completely friendly.

I'll go look but I'll be glad to show you how if you want.

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We tend to agree on a number of things. That may not bode well for us.

21st century man discussing male/female dynamics from either 3,000 or 2,000 years ago. Yikes.

It's too confusing what has happened in the last 50. How can I comment on multi-millennial differences.

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Gee. That's the type of male-female relationship that I find most satisfying.

I don't want a slave. But I want my wife to yield to me; because she trusts me and I have earned that trust. And because we both find our lives are better when we do so.

In our culture I think discussing willful submission is all that makes sense.

That's why I find these criticisms of kerry and others (but he seems to drag out this red herring often) of let's look at another era/culture/time/situation and evaluate it.

We have no context nor understanding.

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Seems reasonable to me.
Reasonable comments do not get much response.

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The initial act of submission might be free, but from that point on it's not. The initial act could also be coerced.
The traditional marriage vows imply a choice on the part of the bride to obey her husband. Of course it also probably presumed that before obeying her husband she was obeying her father, so there may be no real choice involved.

But in any case, voluntarily chosen submission on the basis of sex is an extremely bad idea in my view.

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1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

First you accuse me of hating my parents and now you call me a 7 yr old. Enough with the ad hominems. See if you can stick with rational argument instead of name calling.

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1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13