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earnest37 · #76 09-07-2011, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

BUT..when the United States government does these things, in the name of 'God', it is ok?
Just answer that question without all the other right-wing knee jerk, propaganda.

I repeat...'Do you Aklim believe that just because the United States uses their military to kill, and murder innocent men women and children ,in the name of 'God', does it make everything allright'?

It's a very simple question.

Define innocent.

chilcutt · #77 09-07-2011, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by earnest37

Define innocent.

That is beside the point sir.
This is an 'A' and 'B' conversation between Aklim and I, so I will kindly ask you to 'C' your way out of it.

earnest37 · #78 09-07-2011, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

Hells Bells. To think this nauseating little git has been poisoning human relations for centuries. The sooner this crap is thrown over the better.

- Peter.

Since we’re all "genius" mechanics and scientists here I’ll pose this interesting observation. We know that without a magnetic field surrounding the earth life could not exist because of the field’s protective barrier to the sun’s damaging rays. Correct? If you don’t believe me study it a bit.
Now, scientists have been able to very accurately measure the earth’s diminishing magnetic field since the mid 19th century. It is decreasing by about half every 400 years or so. Now, here’s the problem – if it is decreasing an exact measure amount every few centuries then, in retrospect, it must have been pretty strong at one time. But that presents an omniscient problem because if the earth were more than a few thousand years old the magnetic field would have been so strong it would have literally torn the earth to pieces. Since the earth’s magnetic field is definitely growing weaker the sun’s damaging rays more easily penetrate the magnetic field creating real problems for all life on earth. Some people don’t want the ignorant public to know these facts but these facts don’t lie. If you think climate change is interesting now, just wait!

elchivito · #79 09-07-2011, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by earnest37

Since we’re all "genius" mechanics and scientists here I’ll pose this interesting observation. We know that without a magnetic field surrounding the earth life could not exist because of the field’s protective barrier to the sun’s damaging rays. Correct? If you don’t believe me study it a bit.
Now, scientists have been able to very accurately measure the earth’s diminishing magnetic field since the mid 19th century. It is decreasing by about half every 400 years or so. Now, here’s the problem – if it is decreasing an exact measure amount every few centuries then, in retrospect, it must have been pretty strong at one time. But that presents an omniscient problem because if the earth were more than a few thousand years old the magnetic field would have been so strong it would have literally torn the earth to pieces. Since the earth’s magnetic field is definitely growing weaker the sun’s damaging rays more easily penetrate the magnetic field creating real problems for all life on earth. Some people don’t want the ignorant public to know these facts but these facts don’t lie. If you think climate change is interesting now, just wait!

You've certainly convinced me. How on earth could I have ever thought the earth was more than 6000 years old? And to compound my grievous errors I'll admit with some shame that there was a time when I didn't believe it was FLAT.

pj67coll · #80 09-07-2011, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by earnest37

Since we’re all "genius" mechanics and scientists here I’ll pose this interesting observation. We know that without a magnetic field surrounding the earth life could not exist because of the field’s protective barrier to the sun’s damaging rays. Correct? If you don’t believe me study it a bit.
Now, scientists have been able to very accurately measure the earth’s diminishing magnetic field since the mid 19th century. It is decreasing by about half every 400 years or so. Now, here’s the problem – if it is decreasing an exact measure amount every few centuries then, in retrospect, it must have been pretty strong at one time. But that presents an omniscient problem because if the earth were more than a few thousand years old the magnetic field would have been so strong it would have literally torn the earth to pieces. Since the earth’s magnetic field is definitely growing weaker the sun’s damaging rays more easily penetrate the magnetic field creating real problems for all life on earth. Some people don’t want the ignorant public to know these facts but these facts don’t lie. If you think climate change is interesting now, just wait!

Where do you dredge this stuff up?

- Peter.

aklim · #81 09-07-2011, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

BUT..when the United States government does these things, in the name of 'God', it is ok?
Just answer that question without all the other right-wing knee jerk, propaganda.

I repeat...'Do you Aklim believe that just because the United States uses their military to kill, and murder innocent men women and children ,in the name of 'God', does it make everything allright'?

It's a very simple question.

2 things.

1. I don't know that they did use a god as a reason for what they did

2. Assuming they did do it in the name of god, it is about as right as what Osama did in the name of god. IOW, no, it doesn't make anything any more right. Just a nice reason. Remember Hitler? All he wanted was "Lebensraum". Territory needed for a nation's natural development.

chilcutt · #82 09-07-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

2 things.

1. I don't know that they did use a god as a reason for what they did

2. Assuming they did do it in the name of god, it is about as right as what Osama did in the name of god. IOW, no, it doesn't make anything any more right. Just a nice reason. Remember Hitler? All he wanted was "Lebensraum". Territory needed for a nation's natural development.

'God bless America-May God be with these American Soldiers', is what Former U.S. President George W. Bush said, And what every American president says in their speaches.
Hell..that expression is written on your paper currancy.
I think it safe to say that the U.S. endorses God to back their military adventures.
Your answer is correct> NO, it does not make it right.
No more right than OBL,using his anti-west propaganda to attack the U.S.

However, in both of these cases..Religion did not pull triggers, drop bombs, crash airplanes..people did.
So..if you state that OBL used religion to further his cause, you also have to state that G.Bush used/ the U.S. uses religion to further his/their cause.

For the record, I think both of the camps described here by me are full of *****.

kerry · #83 09-07-2011, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by earnest37

The problem with atheism is that you have to be absolutely right or....
.

Or what? You get to spend eternity in hell instead of in heaven worshipping some ego-maniacal being who can't tolerate disagreement, inflicts eternal torment yet is deluded enough to consider himself good? You think atheism has problems. . .

kerry · #84 09-07-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

Where do you dredge this stuff up?

- Peter.

From a couple of wacked out engineers named Henry Morris and Duane Gish.

kerry · #85 09-07-2011, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

'God bless America-May God be with these American Soldiers', is what Former U.S. President George W. Bush said, And what every American president says in their speaches.
Hell..that expression is written on your paper currancy.
I think it safe to say that the U.S. endorses God to back their military adventures.
Your answer is correct> NO, it does not make it right.
No more right than OBL,using his anti-west propaganda to attack the U.S.

However, in both of these cases..Religion did not pull triggers, drop bombs, crash airplanes..people did.
So..if you state that OBL used religion to further his cause, you also have to state that G.Bush used/ the U.S. uses religion to further his/their cause.

For the record, I think both of the camps described here by me are full of *****.

I'm not a supporter of either one but I wouldn't equate the two sociologically or psychologically. For instance, there are lots of people in the US military who are there for the job and aren't ideologues. They may be irreligious. I seriously doubt there were any irreligious people involved inthe 9/11 thing. Nobody was doing it 'as a job'. They were motivated by a religious ideology in a way that the average imperial infantryman isn't. Not that there probably aren't Christian ideologues in the US Army motivated by religious fervor. It's just the two situations have different kinds of psycho/social basis.

crs82 · #86 09-07-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Considering that there is judgment in this life, although not perfect, I think that kinda pokes holes in that writer's (Czeslaw Milosz) statement.

Most times. Not always.

pj67coll · #87 09-07-2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

From a couple of wacked out engineers named Henry Morris and Duane Gish.

I just googled them. Pathetic.

- Peter.

kerry · #88 09-07-2011, 10:16 AM

No further proof of our evolution from chimps is necessary beyond this picture of Duane Gish:

aklim · #89 09-07-2011, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilcutt

'God bless America-May God be with these American Soldiers', is what Former U.S. President George W. Bush said, And what every American president says in their speaches.
Hell..that expression is written on your paper currancy.
I think it safe to say that the U.S. endorses God to back their military adventures.
Your answer is correct> NO, it does not make it right.
No more right than OBL,using his anti-west propaganda to attack the U.S.

However, in both of these cases..Religion did not pull triggers, drop bombs, crash airplanes..people did.
So..if you state that OBL used religion to further his cause, you also have to state that G.Bush used/ the U.S. uses religion to further his/their cause.

For the record, I think both of the camps described here by me are full of *****.

I think it is a far stretch to say that this is a contest of gods, at least on the US side. Yes, Bush probably said all those things but I don't think it is as religious as the way OBL & Co take it. I believe for them that is the sole reason or probably the main reason. While we say God Bless the troops, I kinda have a hard time believing it is to advance the cause of the Jeudo Christian deity.

aklim · #90 09-07-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by crs82

Most times. Not always.

That is the thing though. Because mortal judgment isn't perfect, the afterlife is there to promise a 2nd punishment, just in case this one fails. As the victim, you can be soothed that there will be judgment no matter what and even if the perp gets punished, there will be another one waiting for him.

OTOH, a disbeliever does not know what is out there. So he can imagine everything or nothing. As a rough guide, go blindfold yourself and do your daily routine. See if you are feeling good or not.