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aklim · #31 12-09-2011, 08:53 AM

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Would this twin earth be likely for have a twin, but larger Peac h Parts and OD?
Oh MY!!!

Or girls with larger boobs?

G-Benz · #32 12-09-2011, 10:57 AM

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Or girls with larger boobs?

That sag mercilessly due to the increased gravity?

Air&Road · #33 12-09-2011, 11:05 AM

600 light years away? I wonder if it will still be there by the time we make the trip?

aklim · #34 12-09-2011, 11:23 AM

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That sag mercilessly due to the increased gravity?

That is why we have implants and my hands to hold them

aklim · #35 12-09-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

600 light years away? I wonder if it will still be there by the time we make the trip?

If you can move faster than light, I would think so

MTI · #36 12-09-2011, 11:26 AM

From Stephen Wright:

What is the speed of dark?

Graplr · #37 12-09-2011, 11:43 AM

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The chances of that planet being at a geological era that would be hospitable for humans are way small.

The thing that throws a wrench into small probability is...oh about 200 billion stars in our galaxy. Ever heard of the Drake Equation? It is quite fun to play around with. No proof of anything, only probability.

Space: SETI: The Drake Equation

I do agree though that getting there would be a near impossibility. But then again I doubt sailors exploring the "New World" would have imagined we would set foot on the moon [ready for the flame war!]. Definitely an impossibility in the near future anyways.

Graplr · #38 12-09-2011, 11:49 AM

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Grab some dilithium crystals and fire up the warp drive. 600 light years at warp speed should be a breeze

I realize this statement was tongue in cheek, and I was a fan of two of the Star Treks.

The thing that always had me wondering was even if they would travel a 10 warp speed which is 10 times the speed of light, something 600 light years away would take 60 years to get to. And in our galaxy which is 100,000 light years wide, 600 light years is just down the street comparatively. Even our closest star, which is just over 4 light years would take a good part of a year to get to. Not just as simple as it seems even if one could travel multiple times the speed of light.

aklim · #39 12-09-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Graplr

I realize this statement was tongue in cheek, and I was a fan of two of the Star Treks.

The thing that always had me wondering was even if they would travel a 10 warp speed which is 10 times the speed of light, something 600 light years away would take 60 years to get to. And in our galaxy which is 100,000 light years wide, 600 light years is just down the street comparatively. Even our closest star, which is just over 4 light years would take a good part of a year to get to. Not just as simple as it seems even if one could travel multiple times the speed of light.

Warp drive (Star Trek) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the Star Trek episode writer's guide for The Original Series, warp factors are converted to multiples of c with the cubic function v = w3c, where w is the warp factor, v is the velocity, and c is the speed of light. Accordingly, "warp 1" is equivalent to the speed of light, "warp 2" is 8 times the speed of light, "warp 3" is 27 times the speed of light, etc.

Michael Okuda's new warp scale.

For Star Trek: The Next Generation and the subsequent series, Star Trek artist Michael Okuda devised a formula based on the original one but with important differences. For warp factors 1 through 9, v = w10 / 3c. In the half-open interval from warp 9 to warp 10, the exponent of w increases toward infinity. Thus, in the Okuda scale, warp velocities approach warp 10 asymptotically. There is no exact formula for this interval because the quoted velocities are based on a hand-drawn curve; what can be said is that at velocities greater than warp 9, the form of the warp function changes because of an increase in the exponent of the warp factor w. Due to the resultant increase in the derivative, even minor changes in the warp factor eventually correspond to a greater than exponential change in velocity. In the episode "Threshold", Tom Paris breaks the warp 10 threshold.
Exact velocities were only given in the Voyager episode "The 37's" where Tom Paris describes Voyager's velocity at warp factor 9.9 (under the new warp table formula) as being about 4 billion miles per second, which would be over 21,000 times the speed of light (although Voyager cannot maintain this velocity for very long).

MTI · #40 12-09-2011, 12:29 PM

Not to mention that the deflector array would need to be invented so that travelling at such speeds would not be impeded by mere dust particles.

Graplr · #41 12-09-2011, 12:31 PM

That makes sense. Most of their "science fiction" has solid science in the background so I could never figure out how they would have such a big over-site. I guess they never explained how fast warp 2, 3, etc (at least in the two series I watched [The Next Generation and Enterprise]) was so I assumed it was 2xs, 3xs, etc the speed of light.

The Clk Man · #42 12-09-2011, 02:07 PM

I wonder if this planet has any flea markets of antique stores.

cmac2012 · #43 12-09-2011, 02:19 PM

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I'm sure someone said something like that about sailing off the edge of the earth, space flight, sound barrier, etc, etc. 100 years ago, if you told someone what we would have today, it too would be fantasy if not physically impossible. There were all kinds of things that could happen if you exceeded the sound barrier. It couldn't even be done and we would be foolish to speculate on what would happen if it could. There was a time we could not go beyond a certain point in the sea or monsters would eat us alive too. And if you told someone that someday we could travel underwater, well, you should be locked up.

Yes, but we know now that travel anywhere on the face of the earth at least offers some very important ingredients, i.e., the gravitational field, air pressure, air composition, and water that our species and its forbears have acclimated to for untold millions of years. Underwater travel is different of course, but we don't hang out under water except in brief spurts in subs and we need to regularly recharge on all the basics topside.

Finding all of those ingredients in another solar system in a mix sufficient to even allow us to live w/o bulky space suits, let alone thrive and compete with home team life forms would be very fortuitous.

Perhaps someday we'll be able to suss out those details on a planet 600 light years away but at present, it's mostly guess work.

Meanwhile, going faster than the speed of light is still a big, big unknown. And even if we could, are we going to somehow project a force field that would prevent a pea sized piece of space gravel from utterly obliterating a ship going that speed?

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Not to mention that the deflector array would need to be invented so that travelling at such speeds would not be impeded by mere dust particles.

Oops, beat me to it. I've read of physicists saying the such a deflector force field would be purt near impossible. One physicist said, regarding the Star Trek style transporter room, that it would be easier to travel from one side of the known universe to the other than to actually create such a device. It's good stuff for sci-fi but there are limits to what we can actually take from sci-fi and make into reality.

On that note, I think it was Stranger in a Strange Land that featured telephones that could be placed on a one or two hour ignore basis.

cmac2012 · #44 12-09-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Graplr

I realize this statement was tongue in cheek, and I was a fan of two of the Star Treks.

The thing that always had me wondering was even if they would travel a 10 warp speed which is 10 times the speed of light, something 600 light years away would take 60 years to get to. And in our galaxy which is 100,000 light years wide, 600 light years is just down the street comparatively. Even our closest star, which is just over 4 light years would take a good part of a year to get to. Not just as simple as it seems even if one could travel multiple times the speed of light.

And you'd need a semi-conductor factory aboard cuz no way are you going to find spare parts in space. I always sort of chuckled when the computers or control panel on Star Trek would burn and/or fizzle. They'd look all stressed and somehow recover. The reality would more likely be far, far more serious.

MTI · #45 12-09-2011, 03:14 PM

Given the size of the "Starship" and the number of engineering guys that got killed every episode, I'm sure the repair resources existed.