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tbomachines · #16 12-13-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

Wow TBO, that's a sad statement to be aimed toward the dems!

I guess, the reps don't have much too offer either, Paul is just running under their flag so he won't see the light of day in the race. He is by and large my favorite.

JollyRoger · #17 12-13-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

Same, I think he has more pull from the dems at this point than republicans

When his actual positions become more well known, the Dems will flee in droves.

tbomachines · #18 12-13-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

When his actual positions become more well known, the Dems will flee in droves.

I agree...right now he's got the hype but thats about it. Still, I think dems are willing to give him the time of day and at least listen to what he has to say which is more than Newt.

JollyRoger · #19 12-13-2011, 02:52 PM

What kills Paul with the Dems is his contradictory position on abortion. I have never understood how a guy who is such an ardent proponent of personal freedom over the power of the state can also be a pro-life fanatic. He also is on record calling for complete elimination of Social Security and Medicare. Those issues will doom him with Democrats, who would otherwise be very receptive to his anti-defense spending positions. He would attract maybe 1% of the Democratic vote, but he could well attract 50% or more of the GOP. That gives him his best chance of winning a three party race he ever had, so I bet he runs. Independents are tired of both parties, that is where he will attract the votes, and that hurts both parties. The math is not good. 30% of the electorate is GOP, 30% is Dem, the rest are independents. That means 34% going to Paul is not out of the question.

Air&Road · #20 12-13-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

What kills Paul with the Dems is his contradictory position on abortion. I have never understood how a guy who is such an ardent proponent of personal freedom over the power of the state can also be a pro-life fanatic. He also is on record calling for complete elimination of Social Security and Medicare. Those issues will doom him with Democrats, who would otherwise be very receptive to his anti-defense spending positions. He would attract maybe 1% of the Democratic vote, but he could well attract 50% or more of the GOP. That gives him his best chance of winning a three party race he ever had, so I bet he runs. Independents are tired of both parties, that is where he will attract the votes, and that hurts both parties. The math is not good. 30% of the electorate is GOP, 30% is Dem, the rest are independents. That means 34% going to Paul is not out of the question.

Very interesting. You think that murdering an unborn child should be a personal freedom?

As far as Ron Paul winning, he has about as much chance of being POTUS as Donald Trump, ZERO! All it would be is a guarantee of four more years of high unemployment, stimulus packages, and a healthcare system that will accelerate the bankruptcy of America.

I like a lot of what Ron Paul says and supposedly stands for, but there's a lot I don't like as well. Problem is, I just don't like Ron Paul.

MTI · #21 12-13-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

Very interesting. You think that murdering an unborn child should be a personal freedom?

Murder: the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought.

Unborn: not yet born or brought into being

Child: A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority.

Clearly, murder is against the law, but under our legal system, abortion, in most cases, is not murder.

Air&Road · #22 12-13-2011, 03:42 PM

The definition is wrong. Killing an unborn human being is murder. Do it and you'll answer for it later.

MTI · #23 12-13-2011, 03:43 PM

Did Ron Paul Just Erase Gingrich Lead in Iowa?

Gingrich still leads with 22% of the vote and Romney has held steady in high teens, but Paul has clawed his way up within the margin of error, claiming 21% support among likely Republican caucus goers. And what remains of Gingrich’s lead appears to be soft. Just 54% of his supporters tell PPP they’re certain to vote for him, while 77% and 67% say the same of Paul and Romney respectively.

Pollsters doing what pollsters do.

The Clk Man · #24 12-13-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

The definition is wrong. Killing an unborn human being is murder. Do it and you'll answer for it later.

That's Right.

MTI · #25 12-13-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

The definition is wrong. Killing an unborn human being is murder. Do it and you'll answer for it later.

Change the law and then we'll talk, otherwise the threat of future spiritual punishment is hardly a deterent, even for the faithful, yes?

MBlovr · #26 12-13-2011, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I hope he has the same impact as Perot had. The result was a Demo in the presidency and congress controlled by the Repos. This prevented either party from implementing their most cherished Big Gov expansion and forced the gov to a balanced budget.

No downside.

Run Ron, Run!

I kind of agree. What I like about a Dem being the White House is all the right wingers screaming everytime he makes a false move. For example the war and crony capitalism isn't so appetizing when it being procecuted by a semi black Democrat.

MBlovr · #27 12-13-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

What kills Paul with the Dems is his contradictory position on abortion. I have never understood how a guy who is such an ardent proponent of personal freedom over the power of the state can also be a pro-life fanatic. He also is on record calling for complete elimination of Social Security and Medicare. Those issues will doom him with Democrats, who would otherwise be very receptive to his anti-defense spending positions. He would attract maybe 1% of the Democratic vote, but he could well attract 50% or more of the GOP. That gives him his best chance of winning a three party race he ever had, so I bet he runs. Independents are tired of both parties, that is where he will attract the votes, and that hurts both parties. The math is not good. 30% of the electorate is GOP, 30% is Dem, the rest are independents. That means 34% going to Paul is not out of the question.

What makes Paul unelectable is his stubborn refusal to pledge allegiance to the state of Israel.

cmac2012 · #28 12-14-2011, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

I think there are some people here who do not know the difference between a conservative and a Libertarian. Ron Paul is CLEARLY a Libertarion, not a conservative.

I would find Ron Paul EXTREMELY preferable to the White House occupant that we are currently stuck with. The problem is that he knows and EVERYONE knows that he could never get elected in a million years, Republican, Independent OR Libertarian.

Ron Paul is like an urban legend. He has refreshing courage and insight in many issues but he's a bit batty here and there. He might get 5% of the vote but unlikely to go much higher.

Air&Road · #29 12-14-2011, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Change the law and then we'll talk, otherwise the threat of future spiritual punishment is hardly a deterent, even for the faithful, yes?

Unfortunately I think that the bold portion of your statement may be correct.

Air&Road · #30 12-14-2011, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Ron Paul is like an urban legend. He has refreshing courage and insight in many issues but he's a bit batty here and there. He might get 5% of the vote but unlikely to go much higher.

I don't disagree with this.