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Honus · #16 12-31-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

If the following statement in the story is correct, no one should be running away from this:

The state law allows for murder or manslaughter charges to be brought against a person who intends to kill or seriously injure a fetus or who wantonly disregards the safety of a fetus. It does not apply to doctors administering lawful medical care and does not impinge on a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy.

The women were choosing to terminate a pregnancy, hence the law does not apply.

It's really hard to tell what happened from that news article. The part about what they found in the freezer is what made me say that pro-choice people should run away from these defendants. Having a 36-week-old fetus in a freezer requires some explaining, IMHO.

I spoke too soon, but it is not clear to me that the state has done anything wrong. This will be interesting to watch. I wonder what the political situation is on these issues in Maryland. Maryland is known as a liberal state, but I think they have a lot of Catholics there as well, so they might have a hard line on this sort of thing.

We shall see.

The Clk Man · #17 12-31-2011, 02:53 PM

What they don't tell the everyone is that 100% of women that have an abortion WILL suffer depression and metal disorders for the remainder of their lives.

aklim · #18 12-31-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Darktech

All human intervention to terminate a viable pregnancy is killing babies. It's just where a pro-abortionist chooses to draw the line in their own comfort zone.

If it is not alive besides at the cellular level, how do you kill that? You cannot kill that which is not alive. At the cellular level, yes it is alive. As alive as the tumor the doctor removed.

aklim · #19 12-31-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man

What they don't tell the everyone is that 100% of women that have an abortion WILL suffer depression and metal disorders for the remainder of their lives.

If you want to put it that way, there will be also issues, albeit of a different sort by going thru the pregnancy. Sorry to tell you this but there is no clean way of doing something and not having some sort of other issue crop up. IOW, there is no 100% clean and free path you can choose with no consequence. IF I run a business and it fails, there will be depression and other mental issues to contend with. Should I fail to overcome them, I don't deserve to be alive. You adapt and overcome or you get overcome.

Pooka · #20 12-31-2011, 04:05 PM

100%? Nope. I know two women who have had three abortions each and neither of them have given it a second thought.

Now, having said that..... I would not recommend either of these women for anything other than a 'What's in it for me' type concerning every aspect of their lives. Some people care only for the here and now and truly give no thought to tomorrow.

These women have smashed up their cars, cleaned out several ex-husbands and taken advantage of anyone who has ever crossed their paths. (By the way, I only met them through friends who were keeping them as girl friends.)

I guess they would be called Users. Anyway, the topic was 100% of women who have had an abortion will suffer depression. These women only enjoyed the relief an abortion bought them.

By the way: Neither of these women could be described as 'pro-abortion'. To them it was a medical way out of a problem and nothing more. One of them put up her first child for adoption and called it 'a giant hassle'. These women see themselves as the type to hassle others and not to be hassled.

And if anyone is interested: One of them has never voted in her life and the other is a fire-breathing Republican. The fire-breather told me working in elections is the best way to meet rich guys.

Yes, as sad as it seems.... There are some people like that.

Skippy · #21 12-31-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

And if anyone is interested: One of them has never voted in her life and the other is a fire-breathing Republican. The fire-breather told me working in elections is the best way to meet rich guys.

Does that work for meeting rich women too?

Pooka · #22 12-31-2011, 04:36 PM

A guy I worked with at BIG OIL worked on a Republican campaign about 20 years ago. He met, and married, a woman who was worth $4,000,000.

She had come by her wealth by cleaning out her ex-husband.

He retired about two years ago since he did not want to give up his job. You never know... She might have met someone else and then where would he be?

The Clk Man · #23 12-31-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

If it is not alive besides at the cellular level, how do you kill that? You cannot kill that which is not alive. At the cellular level, yes it is alive. As alive as the tumor the doctor removed.

The baby is alive at conception. Cells are alive aren't they.

Jim B. · #24 12-31-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

A guy I worked with at BIG OIL worked on a Republican campaign about 20 years ago. He met, and married, a woman who was worth $4,000,000.

She had come by her wealth by cleaning out her ex-husband.

He retired about two years ago since he did not want to give up his job. You never know... She might have met someone else and then where would he be?

Let me tell you a secret.

Gold diggers are a VERY unendangered species.

In fact, they are ALL over the place.

aklim · #25 12-31-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man

The baby is alive at conception. Cells are alive aren't they.

Terri Schiavo was alive by the definition at the cellular level. So is that mole you removed or the tumor. However, is that the definition that we are using in the ER to declare death? With the technology we have, I could kill you but keep the body alive at a cellular level. Is that murder then?

The Clk Man · #26 12-31-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

100%? Nope. I know two women who have had three abortions each and neither of them have given it a second thought.

Now, having said that..... I would not recommend either of these women for anything other than a 'What's in it for me' type concerning every aspect of their lives. Some people care only for the here and now and truly give no thought to tomorrow.

These women have smashed up their cars, cleaned out several ex-husbands and taken advantage of anyone who has ever crossed their paths. (By the way, I only met them through friends who were keeping them as girl friends.)

I guess they would be called Users. Anyway, the topic was 100% of women who have had an abortion will suffer depression. These women only enjoyed the relief an abortion bought them.

By the way: Neither of these women could be described as 'pro-abortion'. To them it was a medical way out of a problem and nothing more. One of them put up her first child for adoption and called it 'a giant hassle'. These women see themselves as the type to hassle others and not to be hassled.

And if anyone is interested: One of them has never voted in her life and the other is a fire-breathing Republican. The fire-breather told me working in elections is the best way to meet rich guys.

Yes, as sad as it seems.... There are some people like that.

They are hiding there loss and depression,trust me they are depressed.

The Clk Man · #27 12-31-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Terri Schiavo was alive by the definition at the cellular level. So is that mole you removed or the tumor. However, is that the definition that we are using in the ER to declare death? With the technology we have, I could kill you but keep the body alive at a cellular level. Is that murder then?

You tell me Andrew. Think about it first though.

aklim · #28 12-31-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man

They are hiding there loss and depression,trust me they are depressed.

Everybody will have regrets no matter which path they go thru. Get over it or not.

Darktech · #29 12-31-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

If it is not alive besides at the cellular level, how do you kill that? You cannot kill that which is not alive. At the cellular level, yes it is alive. As alive as the tumor the doctor removed.

How do you know this? Do you posess a 6th sense that helps you to determine at what point the fetus becomes a living human with consciousness? So, now, you compare it to a tumor? So you was a tumor, once?

All I know is that, if left uninterrupted, 'it' will grow into a human baby. That's enough for me to see abortion as murder.

It's nice that you did make my point. Everyone who is pro- choice has that line that they draw into their comfort zone.

aklim · #30 12-31-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man

You tell me Andrew. Think about it first though.

On a cellular level, she was alive and if that is the definition you use then it is murder. Destroying much of your brain and keeping you alive in a cellular sense would also not be murder under that definition. However, as I said, the ER uses a totally different definition of alive. Apply that definition to the fetus and let the cards fall where they may.