Try packing 3 boxers, two teenagers, one wife, and needed luggage for a trip into one of those...

I've considered one when I was in Utah, but the price was about $7k more than a conventional Civic.

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That is very true but you would have to have tons of solar panels to be able to power your AC. Solar panels are not cheap

I would like to see that !!!!

Do you think OB could/would do that ???

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1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket.
1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
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By two.

I'd be more concerned about taking long trips with that 190 mile range and no dual fuel backup. I'd definitely be having some range anxiety.

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2012 Subaru Forester 5-speed
2005 Toyota Sienna
2004 Chrysler Sebring convertible
1999 Toyota Tacoma

Yes --but this has to be for a carbureted vehicle --- an efi uses an emulator to fool the computer to think everything is as usual when it switches over to the pane and that costs bucks!

What the insurance people aren't told can't hurt them. And the chance of a fire from a refueller installed outside under some type of canopy would be vanishingly small.

Hadn't thought of that. I know precious little about the whole deal. My old Ford would be a candidate. Now I know why the conversion companies that cropped up here during the alt fuel fiasco were charging so much, those were efi vehicles of course it was only a few years ago. Wish I could find one but like I said you never see them for sale.

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84 Euro 240D 4spd. 220.5k sold
04 Honda Element AWD
1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting

Check government auctions in your area. Fair amount of CNG vehicles used by Gov't and municipality fleet operations are being phased out. I see one or two most every time I think to look at the lists...like I need another vehicle...

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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So, anybody want to guess at what fuel prices would need to be to get the majority of 'mericans on an alternate fuel source for their cars?

I'd say $10 a gallon would do it...

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1987 300D TurboW124.133 - 603.960, 722.317 - Smoke Silver Metallic / Medium Red (702/177), acquired 8/15/2009
262,715 and counting

well gas is like $8 a gallon over in Europe... Almost $9 for diesel... They got serious about better efficiency

Why bother to convert vehicles to CNG, and spend the trillions it would take to develop the infrastructure, when you could build the plants to convert NG into liquid fuel, synthetic diesel and gas, that can be distributed by the exisitng infrastructure and be burned in any vehicle already on the road?

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Mooresville, NC
'87 300D 212K miles
'87 300D 151K miles - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD 67K miles
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Because the conversion process isn't terribly efficient and creates additional pollution. It's also a smaller step from a CNG infrastructure to a hydrogen infrastructure (and yes, I know that H2 isn't a fuel but rather a storage medium).

I'd like to see solar heat power absorptive refrigeration driven AC. The same tech, roughly, that propane refrigerators use. It's being done now but not sure how well it's been scaled down to single household size.

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1986 300SDL, 362K
1984 300D, 138K

Renewable energy is very unlikely to ever power vehicles. Household power, yes. The way we get about and the distances we live from our place of employment was shaped by an easy availability of cheap power. Not the best way to design an infrastructure. Not that I would have seen the stumbling blocks down the road back when.

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1986 300SDL, 362K
1984 300D, 138K

In New Zealand 30 years ago you could buy your own home NG compressor that was connected to your home natural gas supply at the back of your stove.
The unit was about as big as a tea chest & you just connected your car to the hose when ever you were home.
I had friends over there with a Rover Quintet (re-badged Honda).
They got about 200 miles on a fill.
The tanks looked like oxygen bottles & took most of the trunk space.
Their fuel costs were about 1/10 that of RUG.
No expensive infrastructure needed.

LPG (propane) is now very common here in Australia. It is just under 1/2 the price of RUG. The latest systems being fitted inject the propane through the same injectors that are used when running on RUG.
Both ford & GM sell cars new that are dual fuel. LPG only systems are not so popular.

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I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort....

1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket.
1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving