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Old 02-23-2012, 08:37 PM
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"We (Nebraska Republicans Gov Heineman and Sen Johanns) were against the Keystone XL pipeline and its environmental risks before we were for it. That's why we asked the President to deny the permit in August 2011."

Meanwhile, the Democrat Sen Ben Nelson said the route of the pipeline wasn't a Federal issue and was a state matter.

Heineman wants president to deny pipeline permit

Damn those pesky Democrats and their "small government" States' rights platforms! And that milquetoast Obama, what was he thinking when he agreed with the Repub governor?

"[Republican Governor] Heineman blocked the pipeline project by calling the Nebraska Legislature into special session as a December deadline approached for the U.S. State Department to issue a decision on a permit. He urged senators to enact a law giving him, or a state agency, control over the pipeline’s path."

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What kind of politician does this Republican guy think he is? He wants control over a private company's pipeline? What is he, a socialist?

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Old 02-23-2012, 09:23 PM
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Defend? I want fuel prices to go higher. Thank God for Barack Obama.
Out of curiosity why do you want higher gas prices? Higher fuel prices will lead to higher prices for everything else including food.
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:06 PM
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"We (Nebraska Republicans Gov Heineman and Sen Johanns) were against the Keystone XL pipeline and its environmental risks before we were for it. That's why we asked the President to deny the permit in August 2011."

Meanwhile, the Democrat Sen Ben Nelson said the route of the pipeline wasn't a Federal issue and was a state matter.

Heineman wants president to deny pipeline permit

Damn those pesky Democrats and their "small government" States' rights platforms! And that milquetoast Obama, what was he thinking when he agreed with the Repub governor?

"[Republican Governor] Heineman blocked the pipeline project by calling the Nebraska Legislature into special session as a December deadline approached for the U.S. State Department to issue a decision on a permit. He urged senators to enact a law giving him, or a state agency, control over the pipeline’s path."

Heineman

What kind of politician does this Republican guy think he is? He wants control over a private company's pipeline? What is he, a socialist?
He's what they call a moderate(Obama Progressive) Republican which doesn't really exist. Hes a RINO and needs to go the way of the Edsel.

Mitt Romney boy..
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Old 02-24-2012, 07:25 AM
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And did the Cap and Trade bill get passed??

Also, showing 1:04 minutes of an interview, cropped in a manner to only capture a soundbite, while ignoring the text and intent.... utter crap.

Oh, so the video is faked?
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Old 02-24-2012, 07:34 AM
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He's what they call a moderate(Obama Progressive) Republican which doesn't really exist. Hes a RINO and needs to go the way of the Edsel.

Mitt Romney boy..
Stop picking on the Edsel.
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Defend? I want fuel prices to go higher. Thank God for Barack Obama.
WTF?? why on earth would you want that? You realize that it will cripple our already weak economy, right? Fuel costs affect everything.

On just a populist perspective, how will that affect the low and low meduim wage earners who have to travel some distance to work? This is who it's really going to directly affect. In some areas this is no and never will be, any public transportation. How do thoses folks get around if they cant afford fuel? And, they are the people most likely to NOT be able to afford a new fuel efficient car.

Then lets look at higher fuel costs will affect food prices. They will naturally go up. This also will affect the same folks and the urban poor more than anyone. again, WTF is this country thinking?

So, is it just "f#$k the doomed", or would you prefer those folks be forcibly relocated to an urban collective (read ghetto) somewhere for reducation? It would be a perfect time to take their guns away too.

The issue of fuel costs is related to freedom: freedom of everyone to travel and freely associate, not just the rich, priviledged or those who choose to live in highly urban areas.

I sit on neither side of the aisle. This is a horrible situation that is going to hurt the people who can afford it least, and if you don't care about it, you are inhuman.
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:16 PM
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Out of curiosity why do you want higher gas prices? Higher fuel prices will lead to higher prices for everything else including food.
They will also force us to switch to other forms of energy that are produced in the US. And instead of 'crippling our economy' they would stimulate investment and jobs in alternate energy. Why do you think the Stock Market is going up, instead of down right now?
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They will also force us to switch to other forms of energy that are produced in the US. And instead of 'crippling our economy' they would stimulate investment and jobs in alternate energy. Why do you think the Stock Market is going up, instead of down right now?
Only if we survive long enough for that to happen.
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:45 PM
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It's a catch 22. If fuel rices do not increase there is no incentive to develop alternatives. If they increase to much/quickly it can have devastating effects.

I would like to see fuel prices increase at a steady level with exemptions/rebates for transportation such as trucks/trains .. etc. I think if that happens people will learn to drive less as they did when we have the price spike a few years back), drive more efficient vehicles and perhaps states/cities will start to develop mass transit and the Fed will start pumping money into interstate transportation such as trains. If we do not start doing this soon (if not already) it will be to late.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:33 PM
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WTF?? why on earth would you want that? You realize that it will cripple our already weak economy, right? Fuel costs affect everything.

On just a populist perspective, how will that affect the low and low meduim wage earners who have to travel some distance to work? This is who it's really going to directly affect. In some areas this is no and never will be, any public transportation. How do thoses folks get around if they cant afford fuel? And, they are the people most likely to NOT be able to afford a new fuel efficient car.

Then lets look at higher fuel costs will affect food prices. They will naturally go up. This also will affect the same folks and the urban poor more than anyone. again, WTF is this country thinking?

So, is it just "f#$k the doomed", or would you prefer those folks be forcibly relocated to an urban collective (read ghetto) somewhere for reducation? It would be a perfect time to take their guns away too.

The issue of fuel costs is related to freedom: freedom of everyone to travel and freely associate, not just the rich, priviledged or those who choose to live in highly urban areas.

I sit on neither side of the aisle. This is a horrible situation that is going to hurt the people who can afford it least, and if you don't care about it, you are inhuman.

Why would he not want it? B.O. is Paul's hero and B.O. said that energy prices would necessarily skyrocket.

Paul is not alone. B.O. has millions and millions of sheeple that will back him up no matter how bad he wants to destroy America.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:42 PM
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Only if we survive long enough for that to happen.
The reason for the high prices is that the world economy is improving. Unfortunately, due to the short sightedness of our leaders (most notably Reagan, who removed the tax on foreign oil put into place by Jimmy Carter, and destroyed the US alternative energy industry in it's infancy at a time we were the most technologically advanced society in that regard. Now we buy solar panels from the Chinese.) we are between the proverbial rock and the hard place. The Chinese can deal with higher oil prices by simply tacking a few cents more onto their next bill to Walmart, where we will pick up the tab. The US is simply not in the same place and cannot do the same thing. For us, our 20% or more dependence on foreign crude for our gasoline supplies means a huge net outflow of dollars from our internal economy to Saudi oil fascists and unfriendly South American countries, and we cannot pass the cost on to anyone.

Foreign crude oil is a cancer on our economy. Cheap crude oil just makes it worse, because we just use more, and the outflow of capital still is a massive hemorrhage. The US needs a crash program, on the scale of the Moon Shot or the WWII effort, to change over it's automotive fleet to plentiful domestic natural gas. If we did that, what crude we did need could come from domestic supplies and NAFTA countries. Even if the cost per BTU is higher than it would be if it were foreign crude, those costs would be being re-invested into our domestic economy instead of building palaces for dictators. The best thing to do for the US, of one wants to be a patriot instead of greedy slob, is to hope gasoline and diesel prices go thru the roof. Just switching our commercial trucks over to NG would bring the price of all other crude products down immensely.

But of course, to see it in those terms, one must think along a little more complex lines than your latest Rush Limbaugh Ditto Head Sound Bite, so my guess is the American right wing will do everything they can to continue destroying this country for the sake of cheap gas.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:43 PM
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Cheap gasoline isn't much different than cheap junk food. In both cases we know it's not good for us in the long term, interferes in the marketplace with possibly better alternatives.
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It's a catch 22. If fuel rices do not increase there is no incentive to develop alternatives. If they increase to much/quickly it can have devastating effects.

I would like to see fuel prices increase at a steady level with exemptions/rebates for transportation such as trucks/trains .. etc. I think if that happens people will learn to drive less as they did when we have the price spike a few years back), drive more efficient vehicles and perhaps states/cities will start to develop mass transit and the Fed will start pumping money into interstate transportation such as trains. If we do not start doing this soon (if not already) it will be to late.

Actually David I can basically agree with you. The problem though, is that no one ever learns. I was a young guy when the first serious energy scare came along in the early seventies. People went completely bonkers, doing crazy things like replacing a paid for car by going in debt for one that went just a few more miles on a gallon of gas.

There was then a repeat and gas lines in the late seventies and people went bonkers again. Time went along and we got more fuel efficient cars of all types and things seemed to settle in. THEN the SUV and four door pickup craze set in.

NOW there are PLENTY of people driving 15 MPG land yachts to take a 120 pound lady back and forth to work and take the kids to soccer practice. She will go nuts when she's asked to drive a C Class or a Honda Fit.

Again, people never learn. I'm all for alternative solutions and energy sources, but we have to be able to function in the interim. Government can not find the solution by throwing away a half billion dollars on failed companies like Solyndra. Private entreneurship invented the light bulb, the telephone and the Model T that put the world on wheels. It's the only motivation that will work to get us to the next step. If the potential reward is big enough, an enterprising person out there will be willing enough to take sufficient risk to solve the problem. Government doing a force fit, will do nothing but waste more borrowed money.

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Old 02-24-2012, 01:49 PM
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The left said we needed higher oil prices to make alternative energy more competitive. Well, what now? How many more bankrupt, tax-payer funded solar energy companies ( with ties to the White House) do we need before we revert to letting the marketplace decide? At one point, it was $3 and gallon gas that was needed, then $5, now $8 a gallon. AT what point to you kill off the population by your high energy costs?
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Why would he not want it? B.O. is Paul's hero and B.O. said that energy prices would necessarily skyrocket.

Paul is not alone. B.O. has millions and millions of sheeple that will back him up no matter how bad he wants to destroy America.
Sheeple? They're not free thinkers like you? If the Bible mandated the destruction of America, would you support such destruction?

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