That old far fetched premise that once upon a time this country was put together and grown on a belief in basic Christian principles which included respect for all religions and beliefs or non beliefs. Somewhere down the road between old colonial expansion and the awakening modern world it was recognized Israel has a right to exist after a zillion years of the world attempting to extinguish the Jews.

This epoch through time, the Palestinians basically were afforded the social status of societies garbage by their own Arab brothers.

Suddenly Israel gets their homeland and some 20 years later Palestinians are in vogue.

Gone from Arab garbage to Arab gold.

Good assesment. My question. Does Isreal wish to live peacefully amongst it's neighbors..or do they feel the need to use up all of the ordinance given to them by the U.S.?

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Excellant question. The last time I picked up a history book..it said that the Nazi's were responsible for the Holocaust.

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How does one live peacefully among its neighbors when those neighbors refuse to accept their right to live, and have sworn to kill them?

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It's irrelevant to question. "where does America's obligation to unquestionable support for Israel come from?

In other words, why do we mingle in their business. And apparently they in ours.

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Seems like people are arguing that we (the US ) are being forced into this alliance. We have created our own dependance on fossil fuels that happen to be located in Israels back yard. They are our only ally in the area. They have been testing our weapon platforms in real combat situations. I would be surprised if they are not relaying tons of intelligence. I do not believe the aid being given is not without a return.

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Gotta be true...I read it in Newsweek.....

Well before he moved into the White House, Barack Obama began talking to Israel about Iran’s nuclear program, and even then there was mistrust. He met in 2008 with several leading Israelis, including Benjamin Netanyahu—before Netanyahu was elected prime minister—and impressed everyone with his determination to stop Iran from going nuclear. Netanyahu liked much of what he heard, according to a source in his inner circle. What troubled him, however, was that Obama didn’t talk specifically about Israel’s security.
Rather, he discussed Iran in the context of a broader non-proliferation policy. “He showed much command of the issues, even though it was months before he got elected,” says the Netanyahu source. “It was clear that he read and internalized things. But when he spoke about Iran and his opposition to the nuclearization of Iran ... the Israeli factor did not play prominently.”

That discomfort has continued through a series of meetings and conversations since both men took office. On Jan. 12 of this year, Obama called Netanyahu to clarify again, in part, the national interest and policies of the United States in dealing with Iran’s nuclear program. The message has been conveyed repeatedly, via many channels: the administration is asking for “the time and the space for the sanctions to work,” says a senior administration official. “Not only have we put in place the most robust economic sanctions ever, but we’ve just started to move on the energy sector.” Above all, the White House doesn’t want Israel to start a war—not yet, anyway...............


In the end, Obama concluded that he could pursue both—the covert and diplomatic tracks—simultaneously. He told his advisers that a successful campaign to disrupt Iran’s nuclear plans, in fact, would buy more time for diplomacy.
There was a separate complication in the shadow war, however: while the U.S. relationship with Israel is generally strong on security and intelligence matters, there is disagreement on both methods and strategy. Israel has no qualms about assassinating Iranians involved in nuclear research, for instance; U.S. law forbids it. (Drone strikes against jihadist leaders are considered acts of war.) “The Israelis handled everything that was kinetic, and we did the nonkinetic activities, sometimes along with the Israelis,” says a Pentagon source who was involved. A senior U.S. intelligence official says that both sides performed a kind of “Kabuki dance” on the assassinations and industrial “accidents” that have increased in Iran during the past year: “The Israelis don’t want to say and we don’t want to know.”
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Usually return is determined by fact sheets rather than belief.
Yes, there is enough indication for Israeli spies retrieving US intelligence and other highly classified data illegally.
Fossil fuels in Israel's back yard? How bizarre. However, seems like another vital interest for the notion of reclaiming this particularly barren strip of real estate.

It goes the saying, 'Before we had Israel as an ally in the ME, we didn't have enemies in the region.

Nothing you state is neither founded nor justified as, rather than a merely adopted agreement of an obligation. Ethnical affiliation, maybe?

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Has Isreal accepted the Palistinians right to live?
And instead of -as you say- swearing to kill someone, isnt Isreal actually killing Palestinians-and anyone else who gets in their way..just like their Big brother/protector..the United States?

Anyway...I believe you and I have covered this ground some time ago, but to refresh your memory....This swearing to kill Isrealli's by a spoksman from Palestine was a bunch of horseshyte. His words were twisted, and taken out of context by a certain Isrealli propaganda machine- in concert with some Hawks in Washington.

In other words...it never happened. But you are free to believe as you choose.

How does that read out? > certain people in washington love their little war machine/Military apparatus- and intend to stay at war..without war how will they line their pockets?

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Are you saying that the this quote from Wiki about the Hamas Charter is no longer in effect?

The Hamas Charter (or Covenant), issued in 1988, outlined the organization's position on many issues at the time, identifies Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and declares its members to be Muslims who "fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors." The charter states "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[40] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[67][68] The Charter also asserts that through shrewd manipulation of imperial countries and secret societies, Zionists were behind a wide range of events and disasters going as far back in history as the French Revolution. Among the charter's controversial statements is the following: "The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!”[39] The document also quotes Islamic religious texts to provide justification for fighting against and killing the Jews of Israel,[69] presenting the Arab-Israeli conflict as an inherently irreconcilable struggle between Jews and Muslims, and Judaism and Islam,[39] adding that the only way to engage in this struggle between "truth and falsehood" is through Islam and by means of jihad, until victory or martyrdom.[

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Don't forget about article 15 of the PLO charter

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Even if it is, how exactly is it our business?

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We should equally support all democratic states in the middle east.

kinda like how they had our back in 1967?

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I do not believe I ever said it was our business. I was responding to Chillcut's question about living peaceably with neighbors. As to whether it is our business--well we do do have treaties and such. Are they important? Is our word important.

I am not among those Christians who support Israel based on some interpretation of Scripture. Paul's writing clearly indicate that Christians are the true Israel, and the nation Israel has no special place any longer. However, that does not condone a final solution approach, either.

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