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panZZer · #16 06-10-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

The batsrads from the Keystone XL pipeline left a message on our voicemail saying that the pipeline project would be starting August first. The fact that they left a voicemail instead of talking to us directly gives you an idea of how classless they are. They already forced us to give up part of our property with no choice whatsoever in the matter.

It's even more irritating given that they aren't even an American company.

B.O. had perfect timing on this. He held it off for awhile, and then turned it loose at just the right time so that the TEMPORARY jobs produced by the Keystone XL batsrads will TEMPORARILY show up on the employment figures at election time.

This is a crude oil pipeline that will be transporting a HIGHLY CORROSIVE tar sands crude from Canada to a refinery in Port Arthur, Tx. When this corrosive crude eats through the pipe and makes a serious spill on our place, hide and watch and see who will be responsible for the clean up.

WHY do they not refine it up there? I'll tell you why! Mark my word. What will happen is, the products in Port Arthur will be sold somewhere besides the US. Mark my word.

B.O. is just another slimey politician that doesn't miss a political trick, regardless of how Americans are TRULY effected.

this is -uh just terrible herriee, hope they _dont_find coal on the property you still got --since you support them still. I suppose you think they wouldn't steamroll over you if whity had won last election.

aklim · #17 06-10-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

What did I want? The main thing I wanted was them NOT to force me to give up land at gunpoint.

I had absolutely no choice in the matter and they are not even a US company.

As I recall it involves about 20,000 jobs for a very short amount of time.

If the day ever comes that the government FORCES you to give up what you don't want to give up, THEN you will understand what it feels like.

I'm sorry that the US law IN THIS CASE does NOT work for you but a happy ending for everyone is only in fairy tales or heaven.

So what if they were a US company?

Last time I checked 20000 jobs for a short time is still better than 0 jobs for a short or long time but you might dispute that.

You mean like taxes and other stuff that I have to do simply because the city says so? Like having the city tell me that I can put a shed here or I must have green space and not put asphalt on my property? BTDT. If you choose to live in society, you are going to have to give up some things. If you wish, the forests in some jungle have little to no rules but you have to give up the perks of living in a society. Your call.

elchivito · #18 06-10-2012, 09:16 PM

"Gunpoint"? I want pictures or this thread is BS.

Jim B. · #19 06-10-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

"Gunpoint"? I want pictures or this thread is BS.

....All I could find was an angry white Republican middle aged male.

spdrun · #20 06-10-2012, 10:57 PM

I suspect that he'd be angry (rightfully so!) regardless of his political persuasion. I may not agree with his politics, but I do hope there will be a lot of accidents, corruption, and outright mismanagement building the pipeline. Should stimulate the prison, logging, and pine box industries quite well, even if the pipeline stays mired in litigation for the next 20 years!

Shameful, subsidizing an Earth-killing pipeline while the rest of our infrastructure rots and turns into a worldwide joke. This is what happens when the American public is kept stupid and uneducated, so they can continue voting for the same c**ts who are bought and paid for by entrenched industries. Voting with a stupid smile on their faces that says "more abuse, pretty please?", I may add.

Jim B. · #21 06-11-2012, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

I suspect that he'd be angry (rightfully so!) regardless of his political persuasion. I may not agree with his politics, but I do hope there will be a lot of accidents, corruption, and outright mismanagement building the pipeline. Should stimulate the prison, logging, and pine box industries quite well, even if the pipeline stays mired in litigation for the next 20 years!

Shameful, subsidizing an Earth-killing pipeline while the rest of our infrastructure rots and turns into a worldwide joke. This is what happens when the American public is kept stupid and uneducated, so they can continue voting for the same c**ts who are bought and paid for by entrenched industries. Voting with a stupid smile on their faces that says "more abuse, pretty please?", I may add.

Such behavior transcends party lines. Dollars in the multi miliions (with the legal blessing of the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling) NOW allows untrammeled greed and self interest of corporate interest
to put their desires ahead of those of the public at large, mostly under educated and unable to think for themselves, and who are fed an endless barrage of misleading and deceptive television and campaign advertising garbage and lies, over and over and over.

And most of the others, that could vote, are so utterly self absorbed and care about absolutely NOTHING except themselves, as can be seen anywhere, 24/7, utterly oblivious to anything and everything, totally busy with their eyes glued to the screens of their mobile phones.

Pooka · #22 06-11-2012, 01:07 AM

Uh... I hate to inject facts I picked up from doing this sort of work for the last 40 years, but.....

Pipelines have Eminent Domain in the US thanks to the Railroads. When the first well was drilled in Pennsylvania the first refinery was ten miles away. It was downhill from the well.

Oil was transported in Whisky barrels (which held 42 gallons) by Teamsters in large wooden wagons. To cut costs a pipeline was laid on top of the ground and oil was gravity fed to the refinery. The Teamsters tore up the pipe so it was buried.

The Railroads offered to build a tap line from the well to the refinery and transport all the oil for a large fee, so the oil people built a line up to the tracks, then loaded the oil into barrels, had the Teamsters drive it across the tracks, and then had it unloaded into the pipeline that then flowed down to the refinery.

The Railroad just put up a roadblock so everyone went to court, and the Judge ruled that pipelines had Eminent Domain so no one could ever block them again. Today they still have that right, but they have to get permission to cross any State or Federal highway. That is a matter of the project being built to standards that the governments accept.

Hopefully this will help.

aklim · #23 06-11-2012, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

I suspect that he'd be angry (rightfully so!) regardless of his political persuasion. I may not agree with his politics, but I do hope there will be a lot of accidents, corruption, and outright mismanagement building the pipeline. Should stimulate the prison, logging, and pine box industries quite well, even if the pipeline stays mired in litigation for the next 20 years!

Shameful, subsidizing an Earth-killing pipeline while the rest of our infrastructure rots and turns into a worldwide joke. This is what happens when the American public is kept stupid and uneducated, so they can continue voting for the same c**ts who are bought and paid for by entrenched industries. Voting with a stupid smile on their faces that says "more abuse, pretty please?", I may add.

Besides the usual SPDRUN hot air ranting, what is the real issue? The land was taken LEGALLY and paid for if provided by the legal code. As suggested previously, why not move to some jungle where you are the only law? It's not like some crook made you sign a paper.

Pooka · #24 06-11-2012, 01:14 AM

And as far as the corrosive oil eating up the line.....

The line is protected in a number of ways. On the outside it is coated and made waterproof. On the inside it is treated with a chemical injected into the pipeline that is an anti-corrosive, and the inside is cleaned out about once a month by running a scraper through it with brushes to clean the inside. These are known as 'Pigs' due to the 'oinking' sound they make as they scoot down the line. Yup, you can hear and sometimes feel them go by.

About every two years a 'Smart Pig' is run through the line that picks up on eat up spots inside the line. When a bad spot is discovered the line is shut down at the moment of discovery. There is no lee-way on this. It is shut down within seconds of the data being read if there is a bad spot. To ignore this is a Criminal offense.

And then it is dug up, repaired, and tested before it can be restarted.

The line will wear out, usually in about sixty years, and need to be replaced.

aklim · #25 06-11-2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

Uh... I hate to inject facts I picked up from doing this sort of work for the last 40 years, but.....

Pipelines have Eminent Domain in the US thanks to the Railroads. When the first well was drilled in Pennsylvania the first refinery was ten miles away. It was downhill from the well.

Oil was transported in Whisky barrels (which held 42 gallons) by Teamsters in large wooden wagons. To cut costs a pipeline was laid on top of the ground and oil was gravity fed to the refinery. The Teamsters tore up the pipe so it was buried.

The Railroads offered to build a tap line from the well to the refinery and transport all the oil for a large fee, so the oil people built a line up to the tracks, then loaded the oil into barrels, had the Teamsters drive it across the tracks, and then had it unloaded into the pipeline that then flowed down to the refinery.

The Railroad just put up a roadblock so everyone went to court, and the Judge ruled that pipelines had Eminent Domain so no one could ever block them again. Today they still have that right, but they have to get permission to cross any State or Federal highway. That is a matter of the project being built to standards that the governments accept.

Hopefully this will help.

So Obama went back in time and created Eminent Domain?

aklim · #26 06-11-2012, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

And as far as the corrosive oil eating up the line.....

The line is protected in a number of ways. On the outside it is coated and made waterproof. On the inside it is treated with a chemical injected into the pipeline that is an anti-corrosive, and the inside is cleaned out about once a month by running a scraper through it with brushes to clean the inside. These are known as 'Pigs' due to the 'oinking' sound they make as they scoot down the line. Yup, you can hear and sometimes feel them go by.

About every two years a 'Smart Pig' is run through the line that picks up on eat up spots inside the line. When a bad spot is discovered the line is shut down at the moment of discovery. There is no lee-way on this. It is shut down within seconds of the data being read if there is a bad spot. To ignore this is a Criminal offense.

And then it is dug up, repaired, and tested before it can be restarted.

The line will wear out, usually in about sixty years, and need to be replaced.

So the "pigs" are run in the line WHILE the oil is flowing? Doesn't this disrupt the oil flow? Do you have to shut down before you lower the "pig" into the line or is there an airlock thing to do that?

spdrun · #27 06-11-2012, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Besides the usual SPDRUN hot air ranting, what is the real issue? The land was taken LEGALLY and paid for if provided by the legal code. As suggested previously, why not move to some jungle where you are the only law? It's not like some crook made you sign a paper.

My personal issue is that the oil industry is building more infrastructure, further enabling the poisoning of this planet. Thus my hope for a slipshod f**kup of a job that will be mired in lawsuits and assorted other bickering for the next 20 years.

This being said, I'm sure the people who are having their land raped by the pipeline are being compensated. Whether the compensation is adequate is an open question, and unknown to you and I. Is it per acre, and does it take into account that a parcel that's split is worth less per acre than the same parcel intact? Does it take into account the risk of future financial losses from spills from the pipeline? Etc.

tbomachines · #28 06-11-2012, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

So the "pigs" are run in the line WHILE the oil is flowing? Doesn't this disrupt the oil flow? Do you have to shut down before you lower the "pig" into the line or is there an airlock thing to do that?

That's like angry birds, right?

spdrun · #29 06-11-2012, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

So the "pigs" are run in the line WHILE the oil is flowing? Doesn't this disrupt the oil flow?

Why would it, if the pig is moving at the same speed as the oil?

aklim · #30 06-11-2012, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

My personal issue is that the oil industry is building more infrastructure, further enabling the poisoning for this planet. Thus my hope for a slipshod f**kup of a job that will be mired in lawsuits for the next 20 years.

For someone with such a down on the oil industry, you seem to be doing everything you can to help it. Again, why not move to some jungle where you are not being part of the problem? EVERYTHING you have, use and what not has the taint of oil.