stick or tig?

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Good to see you taking this thread as seriously as it deserves !!

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Stick? You must be older than you say. I'll get somebody to check.

You have mentioned that GW spent way too much. However, you refuse to look at other past Republican administrations and compare with the Democrats of the same time period. It's not strictly GW that is the culprit here.

The current administration suffers on two levels...........spending too much and having insufficient revenue. You'd need to analyze which part of that equation dominates. I certainly won't defend this administration. The fool just doesn't understand what he's doing long term. However, with him as the exception, the Dems have contributed less to the total deficit over the past 50 years than the Repos. The legacy of this individual will not be a good one because of his disregard of basic finances.

I agree that they lied about the cost of their free health care to get it rammed through the Congress and, at the current cost, I'm afraid I cannot support it anymore.


Using history as a guide, and excepting the current occupant, the Republicans have spent more.

If you want to use the current occupant as your leverage to claim the high ground with regard to spending, have at it............but, it's weak.

Actually, I would be excellent at that profession. You wouldn't find any DB's going 75 in a 55.........that's for sure.

Question. Why do we blame Obama, GW, etc, etc? After all, doesn't the President basically submit a "Mother, may I" list to Congress who takes it and screws it like a $2 hooker in a men's prison till it comes out with some of the stuff the President proposed but tons of other stuff he never agreed to but will have to if he wants some of his stuff to go thru? IOW a hostage situation?

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If he has the balls, he can veto the budget...........or threaten to veto it.

He has quite a bit of influence over the Congress, depending on how much political capital he wants to invest. Mr. Clinton was a master of this game............the current occupant, not so much.

Rhetorical.

Or the party in power can refuse to even pass a budget after turning down the President's plan.

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And give up a chance of getting some of their own pork in the budget? I let your pork in, you let mine and we shove it to the President for signature. Can he veto? Sure? But all or nothing. He does not have line item veto so we have a hostage situation.

In the meantime, the clock is ticking and the President gets more heat. So unless he is really popular like Clinton was, at the very least, he'd be sticking his political future and be pissing off his own party who wants their pork.

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Has Obama administration spent more money than all previous presidents?








Answer:

In absolute terms, yes.

The Public Debt of the United States when Obama started office (Jan 2009) was about $9.8 Trillion. As of Jan 2012, it is just over $14.4 Trillion. For comparison, G.W. Bush started in 2001 with about $5.8 Trillion in debt, and finished with $9.8 Trillion.

As for the size of the Federal Budget, it has averaged $3.5 Trillion / year under Obama, and $2.5 Trillion / year under G.W. Bush.

All figures are per the OMB and CBOE, which are the White House and Congress' accountants.

There are several major caveats to the above numbers, however. Firstly, one must also remember to INFLATION-ADJUST all figures before doing a comparison, as $1 in 1900 is worth significantly more than $1 in 2000. Secondly, the G.W. Bush numbers do NOT include "emergency expenditures" for military purposes, while the Obama numbers DO include them; in essence, cost for warfighting during the G.W. Bush Administration was hidden "off the books", and went directly onto the deficit, without being reported on the Budget. Lastly, and this is a BIG NOTE: Presidents (of any party) do not spend money. They have virtually no control over how the United States allocates its money - that duty (and responsibility) falls to Congress. While a President does have a veto, the reality of modern politics is that spending bills are almost always rolled up into massive "omnibus" bills, which are politically impossible to veto. So, the sole responsibility for spending in the United States now falls on Congress, not whichever President holds that office at the time.

This claim, that the CBO’s 2012 estimate suggests Obamacare will cost twice as much as originally projected when the bill was passed in 2010, has been widely trumpeted, by some rather doggedly, as another Obamacare failure, but unfortunately, it’s entirely dishonest accounting........



But the CBO’s new projections don’t substantially alter the picture we got in 2010, and it’s utterly dishonest to claim otherwise.


http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-13-Coverage%20Estimates.pdf

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