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Old 08-06-2012, 04:47 PM
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Gerrymander -
1 : to divide (a territorial unit) into election districts to give one political party an electoral majority in a large number of districts while concentrating the voting strength of the opposition in as few districts as possible

2: to divide (an area) into political units to give special advantages to one group
Xactly. I was wonder what A&R was getting at.

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Old 08-06-2012, 04:50 PM
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The way I read the lawsuit I agree with you statement here basically. It appears that the military needs more time to vote because of the reason A&R stated and it costs quite a bit of money for "pre-voting". If you want to spend less money then you should discriminate against those that do not really need it and instead spend the money on those that do only. The people that need it are the military. The R's want to spend less money is the thought () and the D's want early voting for everyone- even those that do not need it, or do not need it as much. So the D's are saying early voting for all at a higher cost, and the R's are asking for early voting for the military alone; that concept I approve of. I don't believe that a firefighter needs more time to vote. My family history is full of firefighters and I know they have just about more time than anyone 'cept those without work on the public dole sitting in a housing project.
Unless your shift falls on a voting day.

The BIG OIL company I retired from would give you time off during the day to go vote unless you were in a 'vital' position like mine. Once we entered the area, which was a high security area, we could not leave until our shift was over. Shifts were 12 hours, and with travel time to and from work the day lasted 14 hours.

If your shift fell on a voting day... Tough. No voting for you!

So we just started calling in sick in order to give us enough time to vote and then show up for work. Of course, any sick time taken counted against you during your annual review, but we never worried about those because no one could remember the last time anyone ever was promoted out of our group. At our level the next step up would have been a VP slot, and we knew that was not going to take place.

There is no good reason for any government body to restrict what is a Right. None at all. The only reason for restricting the voting rights of anyone or any group is because the party in power fears the voters.

Think about that for a moment, and then see if you still think restricting the Rights of a voter is OK.

If so, whose rights should the government restrict next? Gun owners? Radio broadcasters?
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:51 PM
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i think the real question is .... why aren't you yelling?
Why aren't we all yelling?
'Cause the rest of us don't live in a looney bin and the neighbors will call the cops, that's why. Now if you wish to continue yelling do it in person and the men in all white will come and give you pill to stop yelling.


We understand politician do bad things and Bush did bad things. So did Clinton, and Bush, and Reagan and Obama too. If you want to yell at all of them go ahead but do it in person.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:52 PM
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When writing the OP I made an incorrect assumption that everyone reading it would intuitively know that military people are often stationed on the other side of the planet. I guess that some people who have not been in the military would not think of this.

THAT is why the extra 3 days is helpful for military personnel to be able to vote early or absent T.

Someone else took issue thinking that in my mind I was putting the military ahead of Firefighters and Police Officers and that is not true. Firefighters and Police Officers typically live in or near the communities they serve, not on the other side of the world.

I take issue with the poster who said that the military vote will be distributed the same as the general population. The military commonly leans conservative.
What's that? Are you trying to tell me that there is more to the Military than the National Guard unit down the street from my house?

Wow. You really do learn something new everyday.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:58 PM
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Unless your shift falls on a voting day.

The BIG OIL company I retired from would give you time off during the day to go vote unless you were in a 'vital' position like mine. Once we entered the area, which was a high security area, we could not leave until our shift was over. Shifts were 12 hours, and with travel time to and from work the day lasted 14 hours.

If your shift fell on a voting day... Tough. No voting for you!

So we just started calling in sick in order to give us enough time to vote and then show up for work. Of course, any sick time taken counted against you during your annual review, but we never worried about those because no one could remember the last time anyone ever was promoted out of our group. At our level the next step up would have been a VP slot, and we knew that was not going to take place.

There is no good reason for any government body to restrict what is a Right. None at all. The only reason for restricting the voting rights of anyone or any group is because the party in power fears the voters.

Think about that for a moment, and then see if you still think restricting the Rights of a voter is OK.

If so, whose rights should the government restrict next? Gun owners? Radio broadcasters?
Wow go overboard much? My "shift" sometimes lasts for days/weeks (and sometimes months) at sea- I'm a merchant marine captain. If stupid little me can figure out how to vote the you can too. No one is gonna hold your hand every day of the week and tell you how to solve every problem.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:15 PM
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The convenience & economy of it sounds great, but it would be MUCH to easy for someone to Jerrymander.
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One of my all-time favorite quotes.
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One of my all-time favorite quotes.
Inconceivable...
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One of my all-time favorite quotes.
I'm not entirely convinced that Inigo Montoya's criticism of his use of the word "inconceivable" is correct, but it is a great quote. Mr. Montoya's best line, though, is:
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:44 PM
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Wow go overboard much? My "shift" sometimes lasts for days/weeks (and sometimes months) at sea- I'm a merchant marine captain. If stupid little me can figure out how to vote the you can too. No one is gonna hold your hand every day of the week and tell you how to solve every problem.
Not a valid comment.

Someone did hold your hand and see to it that you had a way to vote. That's because the folks that set up the rules for voting saw to it that you had a way to do so.

Until Texas allowed for early voting for ANY reason it was impossible to vote unless you had a valid legal reason to vote early. The fact that you had to work that day was not a valid reason.

Then Texas allowed early voting and you did not have to swear out a statement about why you could not show up on election day. That solved not only our problem but the problem of anyone who had to work all day on election day.

But now the Republicans, in their zeal to stomp out voters rights, are doing all they can to take us back to the good old days when it was a Felony to vote early without a valid reason.

So this whole voter suppression thing.... Are you good with that?
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:41 PM
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This thread is dead. It has now been shown that nobody is trying to disenfranchise military voters. What's happening here is R-Money is using the military as a political pawn. All the Obama lawsuit wants to do is give EVERY voter the same option of voting early. Some politician on the Tee Vee said R-Money ought to be ashamed of himself. I agree.
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I THINK THE MOST DISCGRACEFUL ACT OF ALL AND THE MOST DISRESPECTFUL TO THE AMERICAN MILITARY IS....


FOOLING THE AMERCAN PEOPLE INTO SUPPORTING THE WAR IN IRAQ WHEN ALL THE INTEL INDICATED THAT SADDAM POSED NO THREAT TO US WHATSOEVER. WHY?.... Hmmm... SO HE AND HIS CORPORATE CRONIES COULD GET EVEN MORE RICH OFF THE BLOOD OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS.

JUNIOR BUSH SHOULD BE SHOT AS A TRAITOR. HE AND HIS CABINET TRULY ARE ENEMIES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND ENEMIES OF FREEDOM.

ARE WE REALLY MORE SAFE OR FREE AFTER JUNIOR BUSH FINISHED PLAYING SOLDIER.

Okay. So all this is the fault of the US Soldier, so his/her vote should be suppressed by election rule JerryMandering?
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:21 AM
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Okay. So all this is the fault of the US Soldier, so his/her vote should be suppressed by election rule JerryMandering?
Responses like this remind me of back when the telephone workers would come to the Bank to work on the faulty wiring of the telephone switchboard,

with all the hundreds of those multicolored wires coming out of the wall.
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Okay. So all this is the fault of the US Soldier, so his/her vote should be suppressed by election rule JerryMandering?
Psst Larry, Gerrymandering is the moving of precinct boundaries with the intent of changing election outcomes in your favor. This has been pointed out a couple times already.

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