I tried to discuss this with my youngest sister, a right wing nutjob for sure. Any question I asked her answer was "my God is big enough to do that, is yours?". (sounds like B with his my _____can beat up your ____)

So I ask her why did he provide all this clear scientific evidence of evolution then....why would he fool us this way?

"My God is big enough to do anything, is yours?"

I don't discuss religeon with her any more.

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A study of how each god and his people were created for any group of believers is more telling than anything else.
Lets see:
we know the christain stuff already
not sure about or ME friends
budda? - came out a lotus flower
NA indians? - mother turtle came up from the sea and the people lived on her back.

Regardless of which one you look at they all seem to come from folk lore, superstition, and great imaginations. Not that it's all that bad nor should it matter, but to some it sure does.......

"all this clear scientific evidence of evolution"

Really. ALL the evidence supports evolution? Must be time to elevate from a theory to a fact!

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Why did you change "this" to "the"? You changed the meaning entirely.No, it's still a theory, just like gravity is a theory.

Looks like this thread just evolved into an evolution "debate"

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You don't think that was the design of the OP?

Are you disputing that species evolve or are you disputing what humans evolved from?

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- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

I do not believe I stated either. I simply questioned that ALL the evidence supports ANY theory or construct. There are problems with evolution whether you admit it or not. There are problems with creationism--most of them being the rabid supporters who over-state their case.

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I like to look at the examples in nature that seem so UN-intelligently designed as to defy logic. Like, why do people have wisdom teeth? What's the point of having teeth that don't fit in your jawbone? (maybe god found dentists so endearing that he put a permanent employment clause in the human body). Why do whales have miniature hip and leg bones, but no legs? Why do cows need to regurgitate their food in order to eat?

The problem with creationism is that it starts with a premise and then you have to make the observations fit the premise. The theory (I guess in layman's terms one could call it "The law") of evolution is based on the principle of making the premise fit the observation. It's fine to study creationism in theology class, but anyone who thinks that there is any kind of scientific equivalency between evolution and creationism doesn't have an understanding of the most basic principles of the scientific process. People like that have no business dictating science curriculum decisions in the United States, and frankly, I place no small amount of blame on scientists for not being more outspoken about this issue.

Perhaps we are using problem is different ways. What problems with evolution are you referring to? I am aware of the missing link that shows where humans split from their common ancestor with primates but I do no if that's what you are referring to.

Edit:

I don't think people overtaking is the issue with creations/DI. The issue as I see it is that there is no way to prove anything having to do with creations/DI. There is no more proof of Creationism than there is of unicorns or the Santa Clause.

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- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

David,
If evolution fits the known facts so well, then why is there such a rise in "catoclysmology" (if that is a word). I refer to to search for cataclysmic events to explain certain aspects of our history. If evolution was so satisfactory, I doubt you would see that search.

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We will always search for the truth. That is why our theories are always changing.

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Why is the search for cataclysmic events inconsistent with evolution?

Evolution is a long, slow, gradual, process. Cataclysmic events are quick.

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Good answer.

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