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Rob Sobhani is running for Maryland Senate. Born in US, Iranian parents. What do you make of it?

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I only reply to intelligently written or plausible posts. For those who think that I'm ignoring them, maybe they need to step up their game if they want me to reply.
Folks, words to live by. If you feel that A&R's posts are neither "intelligently written or plausible" then we would do well to follow his example and not reply. Well done, sir.
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Have you ever actually read Marx? Just wondering
I have and it's a load of crap.
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I have and it's a load of crap.
That's deep.
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I have and it's a load of crap.
Hey diddle diddle up the middle
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That's deep.
I's precisely 16 yds^3 of crap.
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Rob Sobhani is running for Maryland Senate. Born in US, Iranian parents. What do you make of it?

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Id vote for him because he looks exactly like Ernest Borgnine.
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So now that we've established that we have some learned scholars on here, can I ask what exactly do you find to be "a load of crap" about its entirety? Keep in mind Leninism is an adaptation of Marx and only specific aspects of it.
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Id vote for him because he looks exactly like Ernest Borgnine.

Ernie was a 'traveling man'.
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marx takes an idealistic/utopian view of humanity. I prefer the pragmatism of Adam Smith.
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marx takes an idealistic/utopian view of humanity. I prefer the pragmatism of Adam Smith.
That doesn't invalidate his observations though, mainly just his predictions--many of which take human nature into account anyways. Lenin wrangled some of his ideas into his own method of practice which indeed was idealistic. Reason I've asked is because most people associate Marx with communism and Leninism and while related, his actual work differs and actually does have a lot of merit.
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Yeah, all these precepts are meritorious.....




1.Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2.A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3.Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4.Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5.Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6.Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7.Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8.Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9.Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.



If you think this has merit, then you obviously don't understand human nature. This was not freedom, it was enslavement to the collective....
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Yeah, all these precepts are meritorious.....




1.Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2.A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3.Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4.Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5.Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6.Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7.Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8.Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9.Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.


If you think this has merit, then you obviously don't understand human nature. This was not freedom, it was enslavement to the collective....

Hmm.... sounds like a list of B.O.'s Executive Orders.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
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Marx's theory of alienation

Alienation (Entfremdung) is the systemic result of living in a socially stratified society, because being a mechanistic part of a social class alienates a person from his and her humanity.
The theoretic basis of alienation within the capitalist mode of production is that the worker invariably loses the ability to determine his or her life and destiny, when deprived of the right to think (conceive) of himself as the director of his actions; to determine the character of said actions; to define his relationship with other people; and to own the things and use the value of the goods and services, produced with his labour.
Although the worker is an autonomous, self-realised human being, as an economic entity, he or she is directed to goals and diverted to activities that are dictated by the bourgeoisie, who own the means of production, in order to extract from the worker the maximal amount of surplus value, in the course of business competition among industrialists.


More pointy-headed bull****. class envy 101. people with more than me keep me from being free... thus I will turn my everything over to the state where I will have (though I think that I will) no freedom

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