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R on Syria
With friends like this who needs enemies?
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How are we doing winning friends in Afganistan?
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"The greater tragedy of it all is that we're missing an historic opportunity to win new friends who share our values in the Middle East"
Did he really say this?
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The ME will change their tune when they run out of oil. Like wise the Taliban in Afghanistan when they can no longer produce heroin to finance their aggression.
Slowly ~ 1 at a time Muslims come out of the middle ages & become reasonable people. We just need that to happen quicker than the rate of disaffected westerners converting to Islam. We used to have one of them on here!
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Because NOBODY has really said exactly WHAT those Syrian rebels' beliefs really are and what their nuts and bolts plans are. (hmm, kinda like the '12 Romney campaign, eh?)
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He really doesn't have the foreign policy finesse that Obama has on this, but I think Obama's hand is being forced by the election, ie he can't do anything controversial, so it may be a case of even a broken clock being correct twice a day...Anyway the best thing to do here is nothing, and let Turkey shoot it out. They won't attack Turkey in any meaningful way so our NATO obligations won't be triggered.
I should be president; but I won't do the job for $480k a year or whatever they are paid. To much BS for that kind of money, throw on a few zeroes...
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Ahhh, then go to work as the CEO for Substandard Oil.
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Gotta' Love the Aussies. A big earthquake with the strength of 8.1 on the Richter scale hit Syria. Two million Muslims died and over a million were injured. The country is totally ruined and the government doesn't know where to start with providing help to rebuild. The rest of the world is in shock. The USA is sending troops to help. Saudi Arabia is sending oil. Latin American countries are sending supplies. New Zealand is sending sheep, cattle and food crops. The Asian continents are sending labour to assist in rebuilding infrastructure. Canada is sending medical teams and supplies. Australians, not to be outdone, are sending two million replacement Muslims. God Bless Australia
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Finesse? FINESSE? It's very difficult to imagine how the terms finesse and foreign policy can coexist in a sentence describing the actions of B.O.
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Whch group of Syrian rebels? Which set of beliefs? There's 148,906 different groups, give or take 134!
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Here's a link to the "Legend in his own mind" B.O. It hasn't quite worked out like he thought it would. Instead, it's another area where B.O.'s incompetency sticks out like a sore thumb:
Obama (11-21-07) Says He Is Uniquely Qualified Stabalize The Muslim World - YouTube
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That is true.
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- Peter.
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- Peter.
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You're absolutely correct! I wonder which war college teaches their generals to tell the opposition when they are going to retreat?
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So we went from talking about Syria to Afghanistan? Topic, stay on topic.
Actually retreating is a very good tactical strategy. Manstein used it as a flexible mobile defense to limited affect because he was bound by the higher command. But its a great way for an inferior but highly trained and mobile force to bleed a larger attacking force white if used properly. A good modern example would be the Iraq war. The Iraq military if it was more sophisticated had the perfect terrain to employ Manstein's mobile and elastic defense strategy, but they were incompetent so they couldn't. It would have been even more affective because of the modern American public's intolerance for battlefield loses and set backs. They also lacked air superiority because their air force was poorly trained and equipped so there ability to properly supply and fight a proper desert war even if there army was up to the task went up in smoke in the first 24 hours. The initial invasion of Iraq is an interesting case study and was watched closely by China and NK as well. For example the Iraqi army would not have needed to prevent us from reaching Baghdad, they realistically couldn't expect to anyway. But if they fought a couple of decisive battles in the desert and were able to encircle and wipe out an armored core or more, the American public might have forced the plug to be pulled on it. They could have lured an armored spearhead in with a mobile defense line, than when it had penetrated maybe 100 miles, slammed the back door shut with a pincer thrust, ie classic Manstein. The best part about such a strategy is you just have to react to your enemy, instead of having to guess as the attacker does. I strongly suspect if we ever invaded NK such tactics would be employed.
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AFAIK he is still following the schedule for withdraw that was set down back when we invaded Afghanistan. I blame the government over the last 10 years for being stupid enough to feed that time table to the media.
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