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Air&Road · #31 11-28-2012, 11:37 AM

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But does that make them able to say that they have no interference?

Say a muslim gives money to the recently deceased OBL. Is he responsible for the carnage that the group creates? Had OBL been proved to simply "encourage" his members to crash planes into 911 and had no operational hand in it, would you hold him blameless?

I guess I missed it. Was there discussion of Churches promoting murder somewhere in this thread?

Dudesky · #32 11-28-2012, 11:38 AM

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I believe you have the "wall" concept backwards. The separation between church and State was originally intended to prevent the State from establishing an official Church, and the prevent the State from interfering in church matters.
Christians from all denominations pray daily and weekly for their political leaders as they are instructed to do in the Bible--that they might live peaceable lives.

That's it right there.....but progressives have perverted it.

Are you aware religious services were held routinely in the capital rotunda at one time?

Air&Road · #33 11-28-2012, 11:39 AM

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That's it right there.....but progressives have perverted it.

Are you aware religious services were held routinely in the capital rotunda at one time?

Yes, and when the constitution was being drafted, it took them several hours every day to make it around the room and hear all the prayers before they got to work.

ramonajim · #34 11-28-2012, 12:04 PM

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Churches are not capable of voting, but they, like any other organization, have the right to encourage their members to promote their beliefs, NO?

They should not be able to and keep their tax exempt status, in my humble opinion.

aklim · #35 11-28-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I guess I missed it. Was there discussion of Churches promoting murder somewhere in this thread?

PRINCIPLE is the same

aklim · #36 11-28-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Yes, and when the constitution was be drafted, it took them several hours every day to make it around the room and hear all the prayers before they got to work.

Which is fine. I don't care what they believe in as long as they don't enforce it on others. I don't care if the senator is a Jew, Christian, Buddhist or even worships the devil (although that could be more cool since we are talking about superstition anyways). Once they start pushing the religious crap down our throats, that becomes a different story. So if your religion forbids drinking or abortion, that is fine with me. Don't write it into the law books. If you cannot separate your church and duties, don't come to work ever. This is like a pharmacist who doesn't believe in birth control. Either suspend your beliefs at the door or don't come to work.

MS Fowler · #37 11-28-2012, 12:31 PM

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Which is fine. I don't care what they believe in as long as they don't enforce it on others. I don't care if the senator is a Jew, Christian, Buddhist or even worships the devil (although that could be more cool since we are talking about superstition anyways). Once they start pushing the religious crap down our throats, that becomes a different story. So if your religion forbids drinking or abortion, that is fine with me. Don't write it into the law books. If you cannot separate your church and duties, don't come to work ever. This is like a pharmacist who doesn't believe in birth control. Either suspend your beliefs at the door or don't come to work.

IOW, you favor a church or any religious beliefs that have absolutely no impact on anyone's life or decisions.
As James, the brother of Jesus wrote in his letter, That kind of faith is of no value.

MS Fowler · #38 11-28-2012, 12:33 PM

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While some whack jobs are doing this on their own. Many are supported buy their "church" . Lots churches support and actively turn out members for school board meetings. You can see this influence in our lack of understanding of evolution, warming earth etc... That influence has over 50% of our pop. failing to understand simple science.

Are you saying that only ignorant Christians reject the theories of MMGW?

MS Fowler · #39 11-28-2012, 12:38 PM

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Gay people only want rights that we all enjoy. The churches have kept up the fight against them. Interference comes from the church. Churches don't have to let gay people but they should not dictate to a 21st. century person their bronze age belief system. It's the churches (think catholic) who oppose birth control (world wide) Remember they think it is a bigger sin to prevent birth with a condom than prevent AIDS.

Correction ( and I am NOT a Roman Catholic) What you call "preventing a birth" they would call "Murder". How far should they go to compromise between murder and birth control? Or do they lose the right to their belief that it is murder because it disagrees with your, ( oh so much more enlightened) opinion that it is merely discarding unwanted tissue? Where is the compromise that is respectful of both sides of this debate?

aklim · #40 11-28-2012, 12:45 PM

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IOW, you favor a church or any religious beliefs that have absolutely no impact on anyone's life or decisions.
As James, the brother of Jesus wrote in his letter, That kind of faith is of no value.

Anyone ELSE but the believer, yes. If you want to bark at the moon, as long as you don't make me do so, fine. You want to have gay sex? Go for it with another consenting adult. Just don't make me join in your festivities. Don't want to eat meat on Friday? Fine. Don't make it illegal for a restaurant to serve meat. If the restaurant has a lot of catholic customers and wants to serve only fish on Friday, I have no issue with it. Don't force me into your belief. Is that so difficult?

aklim · #41 11-28-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Correction ( and I am NOT a Roman Catholic) What you call "preventing a birth" they would call "Murder". How far should they go to compromise between murder and birth control? Or do they lose the right to their belief that it is murder because it disagrees with your, ( oh so much more enlightened) opinion that it is merely discarding unwanted tissue? Where is the compromise that is respectful of both sides of this debate?

So if you say it is murder, don't engage in it. Why are you stopping me because of your opinion or belief? Should I have the right to force you to bang a gong because the monster is eating up the sun according to my belief and we need to scare it off otherwise we have no sun?

cmac2012 · #42 11-28-2012, 12:53 PM

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Comics, as well as the arts tend to lead social changes. They do not reflect what is--they push the envelop.

And plenty of them fall on their face.

Air&Road · #43 11-28-2012, 02:13 PM

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They should not be able to and keep their tax exempt status, in my humble opinion.

So would it then be okay for a non profit gay rights organization to send people out to promote their cause and still retain their tax exempt status?

aklim · #44 11-28-2012, 02:13 PM

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Are you aware religious services were held routinely in the capital rotunda at one time?

Are you aware that at one time, people used to crap in their pants? WGAS about what was done once upon a time?

aklim · #45 11-28-2012, 02:14 PM

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So would it then be okay for a non profit gay rights organization to send people out to promote their cause and still retain their tax exempt status?

There shouldn't be any tax exempt status for those groups either