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MS Fowler · #31 12-11-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Benz Fan

Shame that you never ran for any meaningful office and straightened things out.

That is the tragedy of it all. Many people who are personally responsible--when they get to a position where they vote other peoples' money, have a difficult time holding the line on the budget. This is true across the entire spectrum from local church budgets to cities, States and Feds. Not that it is impossible---just that it is very difficult.

Air&Road · #32 12-11-2012, 11:39 AM

Yes, MOST people deal with other peoples money differently than their own. Their pursuit for economy and integrity seem to go right out the window.

MS Fowler · #33 12-11-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Yes, MOST people deal with other peoples money differently than their own. Their pursuit for economy and integrity seem to go right out the window.

Have you ever sat on budget deliberations? Someone will say,"______needs a raise; they have done good work for the past few years." "Insurance costs are rising, so we need to pick up the increase for that, too."
Anyone who tries to hold the line is viewed as if they don't care, and are heartless. It is much easier to go with the flow than it is to hold the line and say, " That position is worth $________ and not a dollar more. If ______ wants/ needs more money, then they are free to quit here and go find it."

Air&Road · #34 12-11-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Personally, I find the architecture of religions to be the best part of them.

Save the church, ditch the religion.

You mean save the BUILDING. The Church is NOT the building, it is supposed to be the people, you know the religious ones that you loathe so much. They can worship under a tree or anywhere. They don't need a building.

I do agree about saving some of the beautiful old buildings, (the Duomo in Milan comes to mind) albeit NOT with taxpayers money.

Air&Road · #35 12-11-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Have you ever sat on budget deliberations? Someone will say,"______needs a raise; they have done good work for the past few years." "Insurance costs are rising, so we need to pick up the increase for that, too."
Anyone who tries to hold the line is viewed as if they don't care, and are heartless. It is much easier to go with the flow than it is to hold the line and say, " That position is worth $________ and not a dollar more. If ______ wants/ needs more money, then they are free to quit here and go find it."

Yes, I have been part of that in private business AND some small civil organizations. There is quite a difference between the two.

elchivito · #36 12-11-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Benz Fan

Shame that you never ran for any meaningful office and straightened things out.

You've forgotten. LB was a big deal election judge (whatever that is) and rooted out voter fraud. Or something like it. No taxpayer dollars involved.

t walgamuth · #37 12-18-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

You've forgotten. LB was a big deal election judge (whatever that is) and rooted out voter fraud. Or something like it. No taxpayer dollars involved.

I believe it is more accurate, based on what he has written here, that he believes he observed or heard about election fraud, but did nothing about it.

Air&Road · #38 12-18-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I believe it is more accurate, based on what he has written here, that he believes he observed or heard about election fraud, but did nothing about it.

Are you accustomed to making accusations without conclusive proof? Sure doesn't sound like you Tom, but maybe there's some other personality hiding in your closet that we haven't seen yet.

Or, maybe that's not what is driving your post. Maybe, for some reason it's slow this morning, so you figure you can just stick a knife in ol' Larry and give it a twist. Doing this regarding something that you have NO WAY of knowing exactly what happened. Again, not like you. Did you get out of the bed on the wrong side this morning?

MTUpower · #39 12-18-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Idle

As to the Cairo sewer project, it was started in 1984, by Reagan, and ended in 2006, under Bush. Again, why the sudden outrage?

And for those that attach religious importance to the structures saved by this expenditure it might be worth noting that the Mosques in question were originally built to be Christian churches.

Why do you assume there is outrage?
Who said they were outraged?
Kinda stupid to be outraged yourself about outrage which has not happened. Three of you seem to be in the same mindset.

Air&Road · #40 12-18-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Idle

The program in question was proposed by Bill Clinton and first funded under G. W. Bush in 2001.

The money to improve World Cultural Sites has also included a number of Christian churches and has been expended on the restoration of more than one Torah. Some sites receiving funds have been at one time or another both Churches and Mosques. Depending on various turns of events the uses of the buildings has changed. Their importance to world history has not.

I have no problem with the US spending what has so far totaled less than $30,000,000 over the last eleven years.

I would be inclined to ask why this is suddenly of such concern?

What difference does the administration in place at the time make with ANY OF THIS? Both parties consist of almost 100% self centered, self important, lying, weasels. Needless spending is needless spending regardless of who is doing it. Crap is crap by any other name.

strelnik · #41 12-18-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

No I don't approve of it. We don't NEED to promote good will. What we NEED to do is STOP sending ANY more money overseas until we have our budget under control. Even THEN, NOT sending money overseas would be a good way to KEEP our budget under control.

Remember, this is BORROWED money.

The Saudis finance this type of stuff all the time with oil money, which we pay to them, so we are already financing it.

Air&Road · #42 12-18-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by strelnik

The Saudis finance this type of stuff all the time with oil money, which we pay to them, so we are already financing it.

So by your logic, if I buy a car from you and pay cash, and then you use that cash to go do something bad or illegal, then I am responsible for your action?

Whatever you say.

cmbdiesel · #43 12-18-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

You mean save the BUILDING. The Church is NOT the building, it is supposed to be the people, you know the religious ones that you loathe so much. They can worship under a tree or anywhere. They don't need a building.

I do agree about saving some of the beautiful old buildings, (the Duomo in Milan comes to mind) albeit NOT with taxpayers money.

Sometimes in order to preserve our history, we have to spend tax dollars. Much of what is right with our society has root in religion, and the buildings are a physical manifestation of the people and ideas.
The architecture of some of these edifices is much closer to God than what goes on inside the building.

If our religions were not perverted in much the same way as our governments, then I would not be against them. All too often, people in positions of power within the church use that power in ways which is harmful and destructive.... contrary to their own teachings.
Then there are some who are so rigid in their interpretation of their religion that they would gladly exclude all who do not share their narrow view. They gladly condemn and insult and rant like lunatics. (one of those is a member)
All in all, I see the damages inflicted by religions overshadowing the benefits.

Maybe it would be better if people started worshiping under trees again...

MTUpower · #44 12-18-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Sometimes in order to preserve our history, ...

X2.

I would add that I'd prefer that spending our tax dollars on someone else's history is not my priority- especially if it is related to religion.

Air&Road · #45 12-19-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Sometimes in order to preserve our history, we have to spend tax dollars. Much of what is right with our society has root in religion, and the buildings are a physical manifestation of the people and ideas.
The architecture of some of these edifices is much closer to God than what goes on inside the building.

If our religions were not perverted in much the same way as our governments, then I would not be against them. All too often, people in positions of power within the church use that power in ways which is harmful and destructive.... contrary to their own teachings.
Then there are some who are so rigid in their interpretation of their religion that they would gladly exclude all who do not share their narrow view. They gladly condemn and insult and rant like lunatics. (one of those is a member)
All in all, I see the damages inflicted by religions overshadowing the benefits.

Maybe it would be better if people started worshiping under trees again...

That's okay, we'll let you be a member anyway.

You have absolutely NO CLUE what my Church is like. I can assure you that it is NOTHING like you describe and will NEVER be an obstruction for your lifestyle in any form or fashion.