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unkl300d 12-17-2012 12:03 AM

sensible
 
"Hollywood has responded to the rampage at a Connecticut elementary school by pulling back on its offerings, and one star says the entertainment industry should take some responsibility for such violence.

Jamie Foxx, one of the industry's biggest stars, said Saturday as he promoted Quentin Tarantino's upcoming ultra-violent spaghetti Western-style film about slavery, "Django Unchained," that actors can't ignore the fact that movie violence can influence people."

Read more: Hollywood responds to deadly school shooting | Fox News

kerry 12-17-2012 12:03 AM

I read the Asperger's thing too. Don't know if it is just speculation or not. Most asperger's people aren't violent to strangers are they? Why pick a school? Do video games portray school shootings?

elchivito 12-17-2012 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 3067395)
It's not legal to concealed carry in a school in CO.

It isn't here either. It particularly isn't for teachers.

anthonyb 12-17-2012 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 3067391)
But we cannot find them all, so why bother?

We cannot infringe on peoples rights (I do not think the COTUS out laws being nuts) so we should not do that.

The arguments used for gun regulations.... why not use them here?

Never mind the people who think psychiatry is a fraud (*cough* Scientology), or that psychoactive medications are part of a healthcare conspiracy. Talk therapy ain't gonna do jack for your violent psychotics.

anthonyb 12-17-2012 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 3067401)
The lack of any terrorist attacks against an aircraft is your answer to the government introducing legislation against mass shootings?



Nice argument.

You mean the lack of successful terrorist attacks against aircraft. (I'm sure you don't think no one has tried to bring down an airliner in the last 10 years.).

What can I say, I'm a results oriented guy.

kerry 12-17-2012 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by anthonyb (Post 3067406)
Never mind the people who think psychiatry is a fraud (*cough* Scientology), or that psychoactive medications are part of a healthcare conspiracy. Talk therapy ain't gonna do jack for your violent psychotics.

Yep, some people are just wired differently. Don't know if this Lanza kid was, but if the anarchist soccer mom story is true and accurate, it sounds like that kid is wired different. I've only known one sociopath personally. He didn't have violent tendencies but he definitely was not motivated by moral concerns in any way shape or form.

anthonyb 12-17-2012 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 3067403)
I read the Asperger's thing too. Don't know if it is just speculation or not. Most asperger's people aren't violent to strangers are they? Why pick a school? Do video games portray school shootings?

The vast majority of asperger's individuals are extraordinarily peaceful. Most of the violent mentally ill folks are psychotic or sociopaths.

jplinville 12-17-2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 3067398)
In your world, greatly simplified, everything is black and white. Simply round up all the crazy nut jobs that might kill someone and lock 'em up. Simple solution.

Unfortunately, nothing could be further from the truth.

In the case of children who might commit violence, there is really no place to put them. They are shuttled to and from the local hospital until they calm down and are fit to be released to the parents. The parents take them home and hope, against all odds, that another "episode" won't occur again.

This process repeats itself time and time and time again. Even if the parent is concerned that the kid might injure someone, no parent will readily agree that the kid might kill someone, and, even if they did, there is no place to send the kid for a permanent solution.

However, once the kid enter the world of the criminal, due to any violence against a third party, there are plenty of facilities that will incarcerate the kid for an extended period of time...........after the crime has been committed.

I have a family member that has gone through all sorts of hoops in hopes that the proper help would be made available to his son, who has mental issues. The kids has NO conscience, no ability to control himself, and no sense of right and wrong. He steals everything he gets his hands on, is known to pick a fight with the smallest of kids for no reason, and has threatened school staff when given detention for refusing ot turn in his homework...the kids a mess, and so is his dad. Help finally came after a few of us told him to call the cops on his own son for stealing his cell phone. All it took was that to open a whole new world of help for the young man. After 6 years of counseling and finding the right cocktail of medications, he's somewhat normal acting around others.

Personally, I'd rather have him locked away so he can do no harm to others, but it won't happen.

I know my solution is simplistic in design, but it's how I feel about having these crazies walking the streets. Sometimes my simplistic ways upsets my wife...she sees things in shades of gray, while I see things in black and white. I'm not talking about crazy Ned the neighbor that walks out on his front porch in his BVDs, I'm talking about certifiable nutjobs with issues that require medications. Once these people are released back to the public, especially as adults, who's job is it to make sure they continue to take their medications? That's a rhetorical question that doesn't need answered...

anthonyb 12-17-2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 3067410)
Yep, some people are just wired differently. Don't know if this Lanza kid was, but if the anarchist soccer mom story is true and accurate, it sounds like that kid is wired different. I've only known one sociopath personally. He didn't have violent tendencies but he definitely was not motivated by moral concerns in any way shape or form.

That kid has sociopath written all over him. He is going to hurt someone someday.

Not all sociopaths are violent - a lot of them are actually fairly successful and for whatever reason learn to channel their energy and aggression into socially acceptable avenues.

unkl300d 12-17-2012 12:27 AM

copycat
 
bombs, knives, firearms... its the few odd balls in the U.S. and as experienced in other countries...

"BARTLESVILLE, Okla. – A Bartlesville High School student is in custody on charges he plotted to bomb and shoot students at the campus auditorium on the same day that 28 people were shot and killed at an elementary school in Connecticut.

Police arrested 18-year-old Sammie Eaglebear Chavez at about 4:30 a.m. Friday after learning of the alleged plot Thursday.

An arrest affidavit says Chavez tried to convince other students to help him lure students into the auditorium, chain the doors shut and start shooting. The Tulsa World reports that authorities say Chavez threatened to kill students who didn't help.

The Bartlesville Examiner-Enterprise reports Chavez planned to detonate bombs at the doors as police arrived.

The school district says students were never in danger. Chavez is being held on $1 million bond."

Read more: Oklahoma teen arrested in school shooting plot | Fox News

Benz Dr. 12-17-2012 12:43 AM

It's not just nut jobs like this kid who kill people. Maybe it's not 20 at a time but rather 20 seperate killings done by ordinary people. Not as head line grabbing, but it's still just as devistating for those involved.

Not trying to start anything here but:

Great Britan 18 gun deaths this year ( pop. 60 million? )
Canada 137 ( about 10% of US population @ 33 million )
USA? 9,000 + ( pop. 310 million )

Ara T. 12-17-2012 01:30 AM

I Am Adam Lanza's Mother interesting take/read

cmac2012 12-17-2012 03:35 AM

That is good, couldn't put it down once I started. I think group homes for such people would be more cost effective than leaving them with their family. The detrimental effects of having that sort of potential violence always in the background, especially with a few younger kids in the family is large. More primitive societies might have euthanized someone such as in the story or in Newtown. Sounds awful to say, totally at odds with the Catholic POV, for starters, but some problems are not worth keeping around.

t walgamuth 12-17-2012 06:24 AM

Mental health funding was one of the things drastically cut during the Reagan years. There are Lots of people out walking around now that once were institutionalized for mental issues.

jplinville 12-17-2012 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3067445)
Mental health funding was one of the things drastically cut during the Reagan years. There are Lots of people out walking around now that once were institutionalized for mental issues.

Ohio had closed the Dayton facility a few years prior to Reagan due to lack in funding...apparently they decided to play the game of averages with public safety. Many of those released were released without a home, just set off in the street. Some of them are still on the streets of Dayton, or in prison for repeated offenses.


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