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Old 12-21-2012, 03:13 PM
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Who's to say? You might be our leader and be the greatest general since Sun Tzu. It's not as if the leaders during the American Revolution were West Point grads.
Ha, wouldn't that be something.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:22 PM
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I don't think militia refers to anyone and everyone in this case. They specifically said "well regulated." If you and I grab out pitchforks and march into town a militia we might be but well regulated we are not.

If you look at the actual text itself from the Constitution

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/SecondAmendentoftheUnitedStatesConstitution.jpg

The S is clearly capitalized. I don't believe they were referring to the state of being free/freedom but a State (i.e Ohio, New York).

My history is a bit weak but was not one of the big issues back in the date States government vs Central?
This is well stated and it's those first four words of the amendment that gives everyone fits and because it's separated from the rest of the sentence by a comma leaves it open to broad interpretation. Through history the courts seem to have thought that it means "everybody", as the 2A fanatics would have us believe.
On the other hand, reading The Militia Acts of 1792, it's clearly spelled out what was meant by the term "militia". Adult male citizens were required to own a military compatible musket and accessories and to train with it twice a year in organized military maneuvers. They were expected to be able to perform the drill spelled out in the document and be ready for call up by their states when necessary, not just come running willy-nilly with their shotguns. States were required to pay their costs.
The Federalist Papers pretty well spell out the fact that "well regulated" means well "trained".
Continuing that line of thinking, during the time of active militias I'm quite sure that if individuals were subject to call-up, essentially a state DRAFT, authorities knew very well WHO had arms and WHAT arms they possessed. GUN REGISTRATION, THE HORRORS!
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:15 PM
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Having a good general, having a degree from West Point, none of that really defines the words you keep ignoring: Well Regulated. Also, you ignored his previous argument about whether any and all arms should or should not be regulated in their own right. You can say what you want, but you've been defeated until you actually respond to the arguments that defeat your point(s ).
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:32 PM
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Wow, we have someone who can read multiple documents and try to infer what the 'founding fathers' meant or defined certain words and phrases as. This guy's a smarty. We should ignore him.

Ahh, well, I figure by now Air&Road (whom everyone called Larry) has given up and gone silent. Hopefully. But eventually Larry will just find some new sensationalist piece of bull to post and start on with his "Libertarian" views. All the while, he'll ignore any argument that opposes him that he cannot defeat, and instead of accepting it, he'll simply believe if he yells "I AM RIGHT!" loud enough and long enough and often enough, it will come true.
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Old 12-22-2012, 12:54 AM
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You are wasting your breath Barry. I have been advocating that from the start of this thread.
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Old 12-22-2012, 08:35 PM
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You are wasting your breath Barry. I have been advocating that from the start of this thread.
David what your are advocating largely already exists in CT.

I respect your views and enjoy reading your posts because your a very intelligent poster; in this area I hate to say it, but your knowledge fails you.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:55 PM
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Look, I think you're intelligent as well but CT is not the rest of the country. Texas is the exact opposite of CT. Bad people have access to weapons. These people exist in CT, TX ad everyplace else. There are roughly 9,000 murders every year. All I am suggesting is that there are ways to limit the access and make the country a little safer with out any infringement of peoples rights.

I really do not see the problem with this.
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One little nit. Guns incorporate explosively discharged projectiles that kill. Please don't make analogies using baseball bats, rocks, cigarette lighters, or cars. The 2nd amendment does not talk about conveyances or garden landscape features.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:45 AM
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The world would be a wonderful place, just like in the commercials for pharmaceuticals; if only it weren't for those nasty, ugly guns.

As soon as the gun control lobbyists get what they are want the school killings will stop, right? Just like Aus. Funny, I read an article from an Aus source years ago that predicted this sequence of events in the US.

People bomb abortion clinics to get what they want, and now?
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:10 PM
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Doesn't it look like we have at least two completely opposite beliefs' opinions that are irreconcilable? Is it because the side opposite your (or my) own is stupid, ignorant or evil?

In a brief review of the posts I think rational people would agree that despite some emotionally charged opinions, all sides in this subject are reasonable, intelligent people who disagree.

Sometimes reasonable people disagree -- this is a precept of democracy.

How do we accommodate each other? This is the strength (and weakness) of democracy. We cannot afford to think there is only one right answer else we return to 1861.
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We should also blame the security leaders of CT Elementary School for the ignorance of school security. We need security systems in schools.
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