This is well stated and it's those first four words of the amendment that gives everyone fits and because it's separated from the rest of the sentence by a comma leaves it open to broad interpretation. Through history the courts seem to have thought that it means "everybody", as the 2A fanatics would have us believe.
On the other hand, reading The Militia Acts of 1792, it's clearly spelled out what was meant by the term "militia". Adult male citizens were required to own a military compatible musket and accessories and to train with it twice a year in organized military maneuvers. They were expected to be able to perform the drill spelled out in the document and be ready for call up by their states when necessary, not just come running willy-nilly with their shotguns. States were required to pay their costs.
The Federalist Papers pretty well spell out the fact that "well regulated" means well "trained".
Continuing that line of thinking, during the time of active militias I'm quite sure that if individuals were subject to call-up, essentially a state DRAFT, authorities knew very well WHO had arms and WHAT arms they possessed. GUN REGISTRATION, THE HORRORS!

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Wow, we have someone who can read multiple documents and try to infer what the 'founding fathers' meant or defined certain words and phrases as. This guy's a smarty. We should ignore him.

Ahh, well, I figure by now Air&Road (whom everyone called Larry) has given up and gone silent. Hopefully. But eventually Larry will just find some new sensationalist piece of bull to post and start on with his "Libertarian" views. All the while, he'll ignore any argument that opposes him that he cannot defeat, and instead of accepting it, he'll simply believe if he yells "I AM RIGHT!" loud enough and long enough and often enough, it will come true.

Lots of older unregistered firearms in CT, which is as it should be.

Buying a firearm out of state is hard, its not like it used to be. They all want to see proof of residency. I have my Utah pistol permit which technically permits me to buy out of state just as long as I don't bring it back to CT, but no one really will sell just on that. David your a smart guy but your going off half cocked based on the media and their information is flat out wrong. My buddy bought an FN Scar 17 out of state and imported it to CT, I'm going to do the same once this blows over. Here is how it works in the real world:

Your a CT resident and you go on Gunbroker.com to buy a Scar 17 in this case. The guy selling the firearm will only ship to an FFL, and he will not ship to an FFL in CT or sell to a CT resident. So you have to buy the gun and have it shipped to another FFL in another state so they can make it AWB compliant, ie pin the stock. In this case a letter from the ATF stating that the muzzle device was a break and not a flash suppressor was needed as well. With that done which takes a few weeks and costs about $200 plus S&H you can than ship it from that FFL to an FFL in the state of CT, where its called in and put in your name by its serial number. The same process would apply if I purchased a firearm at a gun show out of state, but most guys at gun shows won't get involved in anything like that, they only want to deal with state residents.

Anyone who owns anything of value locks it up.

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Remarks by NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre on Friday, December 21, 2012

The NRA plan is rather good.

To bad the Fed's are broke, they could hire more police and station one in every school. Problem solved.

Most colleges already do this; Yale, Southern, UNH, I can keep going. Their will never be a successful shooting at one of these schools because an armed police officer is never far away.

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It would be nice to have a public safety presence on school campuses (though critical to have balance with overbearing presence), many colleges including the ones you listed have a multimillion dollar public safety budget which comes right from that inflated tuition.

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Same here. The pictures of those little babies scar my soul knowing what happened.

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Are corporations willing to give up any rights to arms? Corporations are by law people too but I bet they will be exempted from any proposed restrictions.

Remember Blackwater? Many, Many private police forces in the US.

Imposssible for an armed guard to stay alert hour after hour,day after day, month after month. Unless the odds of an incident are very high. Then out of self preservation he may stay alert. People discount human nature too much in my opinion.

All too easy to gun one armed guard down because of this and proceed with what the individual wants to do. So it can happen almost anywhere unfortunatly. Almost no group of people are really totally safe from some form of serious event. Currently the government watches the statistics I believe. If the odds remain low they will not do much of anything effective especially.. If the odds of incidents where to start picking up they would act without much public input in my opinion.

Draconian measures could be implemented. For example making people completly responsible for a weapon. If my gun is used to create a serious event I as the current or last owner get an automatic life prison sentance would rotate things around pretty fast. You can bet my guns would be locked up so tight even I would have difficulty accessing them. Rather than sell one to another individual I would destroy it is also a given. That way gun ownership remains a right but at the same time like a potential large responsibility. Minumin automatic fifteen thousand dollar fine for having an unregisterd gun as well. The NRA would have to go along or chance being discredited as responsible. All it could be is introducing complete responsibility to rights. This is lacking in this area now.

How is unknown but to protect the common good would over rule whatever people thought in that senario in my opinion. Owning weapons etc is not possible to control really so it would have to be other things. That particular cat has been out of the bag for far too long to do much with it. Still it provides a target to distract from the serious issue overall at the same time. .It is my opinion that seriously potentially dangerous people or ones that may become so can be identified during adolecent years or earlier. Since they have not acted it out they remain free until they do. We do not question this for many reasons and most are valid.

As for what is wrong with some people you really need hands on experience to really get a grasp on what a society can produce. Most people are thankfully unaware as they never have really dealt with people that are pretty far gone in the average persons opinion. Yet not really insane by any known definition.

The acts they commit rather are insane or looking insane to the average person. Technically that type of individual can only be identified by people that already know them. Things like no observable concience working in combination with anti social or sociopathic tendencies are strong indicators. The issue still remains that there is still no asolute certainty of what they may do. Most fortunatly are still restrained in doing more serious things like this one did. Still not all will be.

Since some fear no penalty the normal control societies have over people is not there either. Most are pretty bright although they never apply it properly. It has always been my feeling that the average guy is far more stable than a real intellectual type with usually genetic flaws. These types of people in general are not formed after birth but genetically pre disposed to whatever they are.. I gave up many years ago going along with the theory that most behaviour is learnt. Certainly most superficial ones are but overall it is a crock for the more serious ones.

This shooter was so disconnected in this case he even represented a threat to his mother if you read between the lines. She knew there was a big issue with him but by misteak perhaps was not aware of any possible consequences. . After all it is understandable as she had no experience with the type other than her son perhaps. I for example would have had little trouble picking up the dangerous element inherent in some of his previous and ongoing behaviours. Simply based on previous experience with them in others.

Not knowing or able to suspect whatever event eventually materialised from it of course. Nor absolutly sure one would occur. So the reality becomes you are just evaluating potential.
If for example I was her mothers boyfriend with my background I would pick him up almost instantly. The danger to me then is they seem somewhat aware they have been detected usually in my experience. So I would have to bow out of being his mothers friend in most cases. As soon as they detect you can easily penetrate their true state you have to be pretty backward not to assimulate the personal danger that you are now again potentially exposed to. So far they all seem to have been able to detect I know their their next move so in short order they know. It is impossible to hide this ability from them as their intelligence is too high. Once detected they very well might react is certain.

Any form of quiecient state remaining is unlikely. I would be overstimulating them or their fear of exposure is going to trigger something. Somehow or other they intuitivly suspect I might warn the most likely target or targets of theirs if I can identify them. When I say targets I do not mean that they will kill them but everything from mental abuse upward is a distinct possibility.

Just that this individual was well within the capabilities required to do serious violence. From what I have read anyways. The hard ones to spot are the ones that on occassion exibit their potential but usually mask it with a very civilized veneer. Unless you really know them well they can easily pull it off as seeming better than normal personallity wise. Hence their ability to overbreed as well spreading the genes.

I think I can simplify it so the average person may have a grasp. If an individual shows any tendancy at any time of not having a core emotional heart so to speak there is potential there for going well beyond the norm in many fashions. The vast majority will live out their lives in a somewhat unhappy fashion and it ends there. Except the genes carry forward as well usually. Remove palatable concience existing as well in the same individual then it is another story perhaps. The potential for more serious issues exponentially increases.

When this individaul was in a totally disconnected state there is every chance what he might have been dwelling on was horrific to the average person anyways. That consideration has never been mentioned. Most mental health workers have not spent the required time in the trenches in the hands on fashion that is needed. So they are basically failures at their functions I have found.

No wonder I find so many of them basically unbalanced. They try to treat people in a synthetic enviroment that is their office. The real way is you have to study the individuals life and behaviours while interacting directly with them in their normal enviroments. Plus usually if I can meet the parents for even five minutes I can detect where the behaviours are orignating from. The tragedy remains that little can really be done other than medication that they will not stay on usually. The ones that are also truly ill with marginal bi polar disorders have a better chance as the rational component present as well usually has some want of continuing it's existance or survival in my opinion. Even as unhappy as it is.

Yes I have dealt with those that will kill. Until they do and are caught there is really no way to deal with them that works to prevent it really. Or at least currently to the best of my knowledge. It was too close to christmas for this event to unfold. Although there is never a good time either. I can assimulate part of the grief this has caused. Why this guy targeted very young children appears to a simple guy like me to be some additional evidence of him having a very sick soul as well as everything else. I really feel terrible about this for the parents and their relatives as well. There is no real closure as the current term is applied. The unknown reasoning and not being held accountable for his actions leave a door open as long as it is not really understood. To add to the misery is it may remain so.

Well they do it very well, they are crawling with armed city cops, and have their own police force which is a branch of the city cops.

Something like Virginia Tech simply couldn't happen at a CT college, to many police. At Yale or Southern you would have a dozen on top of you in 2-3 minutes max, on a bad day. But both colleges exist in a city with a bit of crime, so they know how it works.

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You have absolutly no choice but to make gun owners and sellers completly responsible for their weapons as a starting point. I am not smart but to obtain a police uniform and enter a lightly guarded enviroment is not rocket science. Or shoot outside the protected enviroment.

Any resultant confusion if it errupted would probably still allow me time to complete what I set out to do. Certainly setting up guards permanetly is going to help but not totally solve things either.

This issue of total responsibility for firearms owned or you have sold is required. It does not displace the second amendment. It then becomes a personal choice if you want to own a gun or guns. You decide just how much palatable very real written in stone personal liability you can live with.

The current situation is simular to having all car owners driving without insurance. My car seriously injures or kills someone because of my negligence I may escape responsibility or may not. I do not think total gun control in the north american society is even worth attempting as it would not work. On the otherhand making guns owners totally responsible in a very serious way would change things quickly. What are gun owners going to do? State they do not want to or feel responsible for their guns? Even the NRA might have to go along with being both responsible and totally accountable with gun ownership. Bull s---t can only be spread so far.

Some north american cities are becoming like minor war areas with the populations saying well it's just part of the drug business and they are only killing each other. . That is so lame as to be unbelievable as it wil become part of the culture to shoot people more and more in these larger cities. Somehow a handle has to be gotten on the problem. There is no way it is going to self correct.

In an abstract way does anyone really believe the governement is incapable of geting rid of the drugs flowing into the culture? Most of us are aware they are far from being for the good. I actually feel they destroy human potential and present no social upside.

In fact tend to be disruptive instead. So why are they allowed in when the reality is it can be easily stopped with severe penalties. I am not going to distribute or import drugs if it results in the mandatory death penalty for example. Why the death penalty? My actions destroy human lives so why should I not be treated the same as what I enable?
plus the death penaty is well understood versus questionable prison sentances where the time and cost involved are not bearable for the amount needed.

For gun owners currently I feel there wil be no meaningful changes enacted. Therefore the degeneration will just continue. If the incidents doubled up in a short time frame only then would it get serious in my opinion.

You are wasting your breath Barry. I have been advocating that from the start of this thread.

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One little nit. Guns incorporate explosively discharged projectiles that kill. Please don't make analogies using baseball bats, rocks, cigarette lighters, or cars. The 2nd amendment does not talk about conveyances or garden landscape features.

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The world would be a wonderful place, just like in the commercials for pharmaceuticals; if only it weren't for those nasty, ugly guns.

As soon as the gun control lobbyists get what they are want the school killings will stop, right? Just like Aus. Funny, I read an article from an Aus source years ago that predicted this sequence of events in the US.

People bomb abortion clinics to get what they want, and now?

David what your are advocating largely already exists in CT.

I respect your views and enjoy reading your posts because your a very intelligent poster; in this area I hate to say it, but your knowledge fails you.

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