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Old 12-18-2012, 11:24 AM
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Switzerland and Israel both seem to have a lot of guns but not much gun violence. It seems their situation needs to be looked at to see why and how it apparently works so well.
Exactly the point I tried to get across a few pages back. Instead of just simple self-examination and trying to figure out what we've done wrong, do a comparison against other countries that apparently have gotten it right (albeit for their particular circumstances) - a high number of guns per populace, but seemingly low gun-related violence.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:40 AM
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Exactly the point I tried to get across a few pages back. Instead of just simple self-examination and trying to figure out what we've done wrong, do a comparison against other countries that apparently have gotten it right (albeit for their particular circumstances) - a high number of guns per populace, but seemingly low gun-related violence.

heres a way to consider it. The state of Delaware is under constant attack and threat from the states of NJ, NY, MD, PA and VA. These 6 larger, heavier populated states have repeatedly attacked, and threatened to attack Delaware on a daily, weekly, monthly, and yearly basis for the last 50 years.

Thats an external threat that delaware has to take seriously, so they have a huge external enemy that they are highly militarized to react to. Thats Israel.


Now, elsewhere, the state of Colorado in mountainous impassible country has been walling itself off for the last 500 years and attempting to wait out every single of the dozens of wars that have been taking place all over the midwest without stop. In order to do this, every bridge in is lined with tank traps, every highway tunnel has included blast doors and hiding space for the population, and every one is armed to maintain their neutrality with force. Switzerland.

Again, its the external threat and their small size and vulnerability that makes these countries better able to retain military weapons for every single adult trained with them with required military service.

We don't have the training, we don't have the incentive, we dont have the fear of external destruction, we don't have the demonstration that its very possible, and we have more weapons to enjoy in the meantime. One thing we do have, is more freedoms than either of those countries, which would be nice to maintain. A closer country that we should be comparing ourselves too is Australia, who have interesting weapons bans based on similar circumstances, and a similar sense of national identity without external threat that is very real.
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