Beyond that, when you look at the laws that have been implemented they have been so watered down and are targeting things that have no bearing on what is really happening. As far as I am concerned, we do not have any serious gun control laws in this country. I can go up to any person selling a gun, give him money and walk away with a gun. There is nothing in TX state law to prevent me from doing that.

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You could go to a gun show and bargain a better price against numerous sellers.

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Canada has lots of guns - I own several. The vast majority here don't realy think in terms of self defense or home defense. You could use it as a legal defense in the case of a home invasion but it's not at all common.
We have 137 gun deaths on the books this year, Britain has 18. We are a 10th of the US population so even at 1,370 gun deaths Canadians would be VERY alarmed and would surely do something about it. But we already have - we don't have a gun culture. Hand guns have beeen restricted since 1938 - you can own one but it's use is very tightly controlled. It's possible to get a CC permit but you need a REALLY good reason to have one.

We had a gun registry until just recently. It came about inthe 80's when a but job killed a bunch of girls in Montreal. The Liberal government at the time said it would cost about 1 million to set up and run - the costs were much higher than that. Since I hunt I had to register my stuff. Now, I still need a license to buy ammo but I guess I can buy a used shotgun or rifle if I want to. I still have to keep my stuff locked up though. No loaded guns laying around the house or under my car seat. Anyone caught with a loaded gun walking around town would be arrested on the spot.

We have accepted this small loss of freedom to have a safer society. We know that any average Joe isn't walking around in the crowd with a loaded gun. We also know that the relatively low number of hand guns out there are owned by collectors, sporting shooters and of course criminals. The police concentrate on them and leave oridinary people alone.

Give someone a gun and an oppertunity to use it and they just might. I see some advocating for some sort of control of a situation that's already out of control. I see others saying that the anwser to guns is to have more guns.

Our system isn't perfect but it at least allows almost everyone to not have to live in constant fear. The COTUS was written when people were still fighting Indians. The weapon of the day was a muzzle loaded musket or long rifle. Bayonets and swords were the weapons of choice up close. The need for State millitias were real and self defense was too.

Fast forward to today. The millitary or the police could out power anything you could throw at them. We have things today that the founding fathers never would have imagined or believed possible.
If there is any answer, it lies within your constituion. It's outdated and in some ways obsolete in today's world.

Only if they were always available for every situation that calls for their skills. More often than not, they aren't and they are undermanned in many U. S. cities which is part of the availability issue.

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I saw this one the internet

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twas' 11 days before Christmas, around 9:38 when 20 beautiful children
stormed through heaven's gate.
their smiles were contagious, their laughter filled the air.
they could hardly believe all the beauty they saw there.
they were filled with such joy, they didn't know what to say.

they remembered nothing of what had happened earlier that day.
"where are we?" asked a little girl, as quiet as a mouse.
"this is heaven." declared a small boy. "we're spending Christmas at God's
house."
when what to their wondering eyes did appear, but Jesus, their savior, the
children gathered near.
He looked at them and smiled, and they smiled just the same.
then He opened His arms and He called them by name.
and in that moment was joy, that only heaven can bring those children all
flew into the arms of their King and as they lingered in the warmth of His
embrace, one small girl turned and looked at Jesus' face.
and as if He could read all the questions she had He gently whispered to
her, "I'll take care of mom and dad."
then He looked down on earth, the world far below He saw all of the hurt,
the sorrow, and woe then He closed His eyes and He outstretched His hand,
"Let My power and presence re-enter this land!"
"may this country be delivered from the hands of fools"
"I'm taking back my nation. I'm taking back my schools!"
then He and the children stood up without a sound.
"come now my children, let me show you around."
excitement filled the space, some skipped and some ran.
all displaying enthusiasm that only a small child can.
and i heard Him proclaim as He walked out of sight, "in the midst of this
darkness, I AM STILL THE LIGHT."

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I'm aware of that. However, it's probably people with guns who are creating the problems in the first place. The tail is wagging the dog here.....

Thank you for your thoughtful and informative post.

Does Canada have mass shootings from time to time as we do?

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Fewer than half of the people think they want the government to fix this but governments are by far the most egregious mass murderers ever.

Everything Congress does these days is a bad joke.

Once again. Since the school shooting more kids have already died in traffic because of drivers and developers. As many will die next week and every week after. Nobody is listing those names or writing poems about them. Why don't they matter just as much? What's left of their families cry the same tears.

Conclusion - What a bunch of uncaring, unthinking, power hungry, money grubbing, presumptuous bozos and buffoons. YOU are going to improve on the Bill of Rights? BS.

No, it's realy quite rare. Anything that contains mutiple murders has usully been with long rifles or some description or another.

One of the main reasons we have far less gun crime here is simply because hand guns are restricted. You can own one but the basic belief is that it's not going to be used agaisnt anyone. With less hand guns available suddenly you have a far less gun mentality and far less gun deaths.

We still depend on the cops to sort stuff out for us if we feel threatened. You are allowed to use deadly force if needed but I rarely har of it. Yes, be have B&E's but most of the time no one is home. Your average thief isn't usually armed. I'm pretty sure that any gun crime will get you 5 years.

Almost none of the current population remembers when you could carry a hand gun around so it's simply not part of our every day life. Believe me, it's something you can get used to quite easily.

If revolutions depended on weapons you would be right. Weapons don't cause or win or lose revolutions, people do.

Take for example .... any revolution in human history.

That's a pretty simplistic approach for a guy like you. Every revolution that involved weapons also included the use of them or the threat of using them.

So........ guns don't kill people, people kill people. I wonder how many times that sorry assed line of reasoning will be used?