WTH is wrong with some people??? Shooting at CT Elementary School - Page 56 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

jplinville · #**826** 12-19-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

and normally I would not place it here. But this time i will.

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I saw this one the internet

Dodie Bishop

twas' 11 days before Christmas, around 9:38 when 20 beautiful children
stormed through heaven's gate.
their smiles were contagious, their laughter filled the air.
they could hardly believe all the beauty they saw there.
they were filled with such joy, they didn't know what to say.

they remembered nothing of what had happened earlier that day.
"where are we?" asked a little girl, as quiet as a mouse.
"this is heaven." declared a small boy. "we're spending Christmas at God's
house."
when what to their wondering eyes did appear, but Jesus, their savior, the
children gathered near.
He looked at them and smiled, and they smiled just the same.
then He opened His arms and He called them by name.
and in that moment was joy, that only heaven can bring those children all
flew into the arms of their King and as they lingered in the warmth of His
embrace, one small girl turned and looked at Jesus' face.
and as if He could read all the questions she had He gently whispered to
her, "I'll take care of mom and dad."
then He looked down on earth, the world far below He saw all of the hurt,
the sorrow, and woe then He closed His eyes and He outstretched His hand,
"Let My power and presence re-enter this land!"
"may this country be delivered from the hands of fools"
"I'm taking back my nation. I'm taking back my schools!"
then He and the children stood up without a sound.
"come now my children, let me show you around."
excitement filled the space, some skipped and some ran.
all displaying enthusiasm that only a small child can.
and i heard Him proclaim as He walked out of sight, "in the midst of this
darkness, I AM STILL THE LIGHT."

Written by Cameo Smith, Mt. Wolf, PA

Thank you for sharing...

Botnst · #**827** 12-19-2012, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I didn't say it would.

Enact a law for no particular reason. Great.

JB3 · #**828** 12-19-2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Few tools are more useless than a gun locked in a safe.

It's like having the police only minutes away.

Gee, thanks.

Correct, a rifle and two handguns locked in a safe securely might have changed the course of events this past week how?

MS Fowler · #**829** 12-19-2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Enact a law for no particular reason. Great.

And, when it fails to have the (declared) effect, then pass another law, and another. Then complain that there are too many laws.

How about " Do not commit murder"?

Botnst · #**830** 12-19-2012, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Perhaps I am missing something but would you rather have a law in place that prevents you from being killed or one that is in place that will prosecute the person who just killed you?

I am trying to present ideas that I think would help prevent the person from getting a gun to kill you, if it fails we can still prosecute but I'd like to prevent your death if at all possible.

No law will prevent killings. If only laws were so simple and certain.

No law prosecutes all perps. Not all prosecutions result in conviction (thank god).

No law will prevent a person from getting a gun to kill another person.

Botnst · #**831** 12-19-2012, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Benz Dr.

....
Fast forward to today. The millitary or the police could out power anything you could throw at them. We have things today that the founding fathers never would have imagined or believed possible......

If revolutions depended on weapons you would be right. Weapons don't cause or win or lose revolutions, people do.

Take for example .... any revolution in human history.

JB3 · #**832** 12-19-2012, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Yeah, because the gov always has our best interest at heart, we should trust the gov.

Ignore history.

What history do you specifically refer to? Government has traditionally been ham handed and inefficient, but government action after disasters has a pretty good track record if you actually look at it.

Building code requirements after disasters like the triangle shirtwaist factory, safety and construction standards in consumer products, automobiles, and food. All for our benefit, and all make good sense.

I think minimal weapon regulations and safety requirements is not much to ask. Again, no discussion, no compromise is a silly way to act

Botnst · #**833** 12-19-2012, 07:41 AM

Human history.

JB3 · #**834** 12-19-2012, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

The crazy relative would have to travel nearly 300 miles to get to my house...no chance of that happening.

As for demonstratable proof of ownership of a certain caliber gun, are you suggesting that you show up at the place of ammunition sale with your firearm?? That begging for more problems...

Aren't you placing a lot of trust in the fact that you don't think that would happen? 300 miles is no big deal, 5 hour drive.

I'm sure mrs Lanza had absolutely no conception that such a thing would happen either, but it did.

I'm suggesting that proof of ownership be presented to buy ammunition. A gun regitration in your name with the correct firearm listed. Also, I would ban internet sales of ammunition shipped to individuals. Everything must happen in person, and an original document displayed, I'm thinking along the lines of using a drivers license to buy alchohol, that level of bother, which is not much.
Everything would have to match up though, no discrepencies, addresses accurate, weapon accurate, ect. Special ammunition could be ordered, but only shipped to a gun store, followed by the same process of verifying you actually legally own the weapon that the rounds will work with.

Botnst · #**835** 12-19-2012, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

Correct, a rifle and two handguns locked in a safe securely might have changed the course of events this past week how?

"might"

Botnst · #**836** 12-19-2012, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

Aren't you placing a lot of trust in the fact that you don't think that would happen? 300 miles is no big deal, 5 hour drive.

I'm sure mrs Lanza had absolutely no conception that such a thing would happen either, but it did.

I'm suggesting that proof of ownership be presented to buy ammunition. A gun regitration in your name with the correct firearm listed. Also, I would ban internet sales of ammunition shipped to individuals. Everything must happen in person, and an original document displayed, I'm thinking along the lines of using a drivers license to buy alchohol, that level of bother, which is not much.
Everything would have to match up though, no discrepencies, addresses accurate, weapon accurate, ect. Special ammunition could be ordered, but only shipped to a gun store, followed by the same process of verifying you actually legally own the weapon that the rounds will work with.

Time to dust off the old RCBS.

engatwork · #**837** 12-19-2012, 08:11 AM

It is a warped world in which we live.

It seems the Prez is going to be discussing gun control in the US (which is fine) while supporting the rebels that are trying to overthrow the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad

. What is wrong with this picture?

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I'm sure mrs Lanza had absolutely no conception that such a thing would happen either, but it did.

Based on what I have read she did realize she had a problem with the kid. Knowing this it sounds to me like she was as much at fault for having unsecured firearms around but that is just my opinion.

JB3 · #**838** 12-19-2012, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

"might"

Right, so since no one can gurantee absolute outcomes, we should change nothing.

Let's say it was in clear law that any gun used in a crime or not in a safe when not in use resulted in big prison time for the gun owner as well. The lanza family lived in a 1.5 million dollar home, mrs lanza was receiving 200k plus alimony from the ex. They were from all accounts a wealthy, law abiding family with a shy, withdrawn mental case of a son.

There I no doubt in my mind that if it had been law that everything she had be locked in a safe, she would have had one and they would have been secured. She was killed in her bed, the lack of immediate access to her fiearms would have changed the outcome of the day.

JB3 · #**839** 12-19-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by engatwork

It is a warped world in which we live.

It seems the Prez is going to be discussing gun control in the US (which is fine) while supporting the rebels that are trying to overthrow the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad

. What is wrong with this picture?

Based on what I have read she did realize she had a problem with the kid. Knowing this it sounds to me like she was as much at fault for having unsecured firearms around but that is just my opinion.

Yeah, I've read that as well. She clearly was worried about her son, but it seemed to be more along the lines of providing support for him. Moving with him when he went to collage, ect.
I think if she had the sightest inclination he had a notion to kill her, himself, and others, she probably wouldn't have trained him on the weapons in question

JamesDean · #**840** 12-19-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by engatwork

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Based on what I have read she did realize she had a problem with the kid. Knowing this it sounds to me like she was as much at fault for having unsecured firearms around but that is just my opinion.

I read an article in my local paper over the weekend that said that the kid had some serious problems, at least in high school. It said that he could not feel physical pain, so he had to be watched so that he wouldn't burn himself with a soldering iron. It also said he had some anti-social type problems as well, some of which ended up with incidents at school where his mother would have to come in and deal with the situation.

It would occur to me that if my child is known to have problems of that sort that I would keep my firearms secured.