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Old 02-19-2013, 12:23 PM
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Then you haven't observed without your own presuppositions.

I had a jerrycan in the trunk. It was empty because I used the fuel and forgot to refill it.
Yeah i'm just going to go ahead and re-post this as we now have a compound failure.....

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No sympathy here. You created the hazard yourself.


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Old 02-19-2013, 12:50 PM
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I'll stick with planning ahead, just in case

Now where did I put that tow rope that I used to pull a co-worker out of the snow last week......
Most people don't plan to fail. They just fail to plan.

Shame on them!
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:16 PM
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Go look up tu quoque fallacy.

If I rob a store, it gives no one else justification to rob the same store. If I do something stupid, it gives no one else justification to to something stupid.
The part that you cannot grasp is the fact that the average person is a moron and that their behavior on the road can be predicted. Your example of the tu quoque fallacy is not applicable because we are not attempting to justify or defend the actions of a moron(s). Their behavior is accepted due to their status.

The only real question is whether you fall into the same category.............
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:20 PM
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.... you mean like making sure you had a road triangle and plenty of road flares in the trunk?

Or making sure that you schedule minor repairs at the local dealer so that MB roadside assistance availability never lapses?

Or having roadside assistance through your insurance company?



I know this is difficult for you..............

...............I mean like filling the fuel tank when you're deep into the reserve and it's like dark outside and it's like cold outside and you might like get yourself injured or killed if you do not like fill the tank immediately and spend like $1.00 more at the expensive station.


Should I write like slower?
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:23 PM
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I had a jerrycan in the trunk. It was empty because I used the fuel and forgot to refill it.
There really isn't anything more to say. Post #78 has been asked and answered.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:26 PM
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Like I said before, a stop sign is just as dangerous as I was. Probably more, a stop sign wouldn't always be guaranteed to have flashing lights alerting people to it's presence.

Several people in this thread have been saying that I might have been involved in a collision with someone who wasn't paying attention, speeding or using a cell phone. My assertion is that those individuals already put themselves in danger by doing such (i.e. speeding/cell phone/distracted), and that my being stopped didn't increase the danger any.
For those people who travel that route on a regular basis your being on the side of the road is something they are not familiar with as opposed to the stop sign which has not moved.

Even for those who do not travel the route a car stuck in the road is out of place and addmultiple unknowns to the scenario.

Say what you want but I don't think you have a valid argument when you say your actions did not add any risk to the commute.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:37 PM
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The part that you cannot grasp is the fact that the average person is a moron and that their behavior on the road can be predicted. Your example of the tu quoque fallacy is not applicable because we are not attempting to justify or defend the actions of a moron(s). Their behavior is accepted due to their status.

The only real question is whether you fall into the same category.............
Now you're conflating the issue in attempt to justify your condemnation.

Was I wrong? Yes.

Were the people who ran over my flares wrong? Yes.

Was I more wrong? NO ... so you need to quiet down.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:40 PM
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I know this is difficult for you..............

...............I mean like filling the fuel tank when you're deep into the reserve and it's like dark outside and it's like cold outside and you might like get yourself injured or killed if you do not like fill the tank immediately and spend like $1.00 more at the expensive station.


Should I write like slower?
Brian, the mere possibility of me "get[ting] injuried or killed" by simply entering the vehicle and starting to drive blows your argument out of the water.

Furthermore, the fact that I cannot afford the more expensive gas, and could not fill up prior to going to work (paycheck didn't hit my account yet), made the risk worth while.

Now get off my case.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:47 PM
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Brian, the mere possibility of me "get[ting] injuried or killed" by simply entering the vehicle and starting to drive blows your argument out of the water.
You stated in your original post that you were on the road, at night as it was starting to snow. Someone could have easily skidded into you at any point but hitting you as you pulled out to accelerate (Slowly due to the weather) was probably the most dangerous part of the operation so I think the argument still stands.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:48 PM
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For those people who travel that route on a regular basis your being on the side of the road is something they are not familiar with as opposed to the stop sign which has not moved.
So what excuses the accidents on that route each week?
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Even for those who do not travel the route a car stuck in the road is out of place and addmultiple unknowns to the scenario.
No more danger if someone were paying attention.

No more danger than a slippery road.

No more danger than an unlit road.

No more danger than a deer (which are in the vicinity en mass daily)
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Say what you want but I don't think you have a valid argument when you say your actions did not add any risk to the commute.
Further, since the stretch of road has several companies, all of which use large, trailered trucks, which block traffic on a daily basis while entering and exiting their respected driveways.

Traffic going this way regularly is accustomed to come upon poorly lit, slow moving vehicles in unmarked driveways and on an unlit road.

A road flare and warning triangle are CONSIDERABLY brighter than the singular working taillight on a landscaping truck with a trailer.

In fact, the more I think about it, considering the environment and the lack of shoulders on the vast majority of the road, I probably stopped in the most convenient spot on that road.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:52 PM
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You stated in your original post that you were on the road, at night as it was starting to snow. Someone could have easily skidded into you at any point
There was at least 800 feet of straight road on either side of me. Visibility was not effected enough to the point where a road flare could not have been seen for at least that distance, if not further.

I remember specifically that I could see cars coming at least a 1/2 mile away.
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but hitting you as you pulled out to accelerate (Slowly due to the weather) was probably the most dangerous part of the operation so I think the argument still stands.
If you mean hitting me as I pulled away from the scene after refueling, then no. I waited until there was no traffic to pull away. By the time I was refuelled, primed and ready to leave there was little to no traffic on the road. (e.g. I saw 3 more cars on the remainder of the 9 mile trip)
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:01 PM
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Brian, the mere possibility of me "get[ting] injuried or killed" by simply entering the vehicle and starting to drive blows your argument out of the water.

Furthermore, the fact that I cannot afford the more expensive gas, and could not fill up prior to going to work (paycheck didn't hit my account yet), made the risk worth while.

Now get off my case.

The possibility of getting injured or killed is significantly greater when you are blocking a traffic lane.

You could have certainly afforded $5.00 worth of the more expensive gas. Making this argument further weakens your case............but, you really do not have a case anymore.

Sure, the truth hurts............it always does to those who wish to blame others for their own foibles.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:26 PM
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The possibility of getting injured or killed is significantly greater when you are blocking a traffic lane.
Do you really like restating what has already been said?

Getting injured or killed is now another topic. Why are you conflating the issue? Why start a new argument?
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You could have certainly afforded $5.00 worth of the more expensive
Nope. I couldn't.

But I'm sure you know better than I concerning my finances.
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I certainly couldn't afford that mistake....
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Making this argument further weakens your case............but, you really do not have a case anymore.
No, you have changed the topic.

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Sure, the truth hurts............it always does to those who wish to blame others for their own foibles.
I'd sure like you to stop LYING about me.

Actually, I think an apology is in order since you've continued to lie about me AFTER being corrected.

EDIT: I forgot to add, I wonder if you can spot the tu quoque argument forming in your head before you post it.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:37 PM
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I certainly couldn't afford that mistake....
I'm sure a person such as yourself will make it very soon and you'll blame the service station when it happens.


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I'd sure like you to stop LYING about me.

Actually, I think an apology is in order since you've continued to lie about me AFTER being corrected.
Apparently, you get your panties in a wad when confronted with the truth.

I don't see a single member supporting your case regarding your tu quoque argument and without that supposition, you've got nothing.

Yes, you have my sincere apology for making the assumption that you have $5.00 cash in your pocket. I forgot, for a brief moment, with whom I am dealing.
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