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Old 04-01-2013, 08:37 AM
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I Find this Disturbing

Official: Kaufman County District Attorney Mike McLelland and his wife, Cynthia, were "targeted" in killing - CBS News

I certainly hope that this is not a coming trend. With more and more wimpy people in America, where will they find people brave enough to do these jobs honestly? Maybe that's the problem. Maybe these DA's were the only ones left that couldn't be bought.

There is also the thug that killed the prison official in Colorado. Is this a coming trend?
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Normally it would be hard to say. By copycatting this type of behaviour can increaase. Where doing it before never would have occured to some individuals..
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Old 04-01-2013, 09:33 AM
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Normally it would be hard to say. By copycatting this type of behaviour can increaase. Where doing it before never would have occured to some individuals..

I think it is much too early to judge.

No one knows if this is the work of a single individual with a vendetta, or something systematic, like a gang might be.

Personally, I don't know, but my guess is that this is personal, otherwise it would have become more widespread a long while ago, especially in Texas where firearms are definitely more prevalent than elsewhere.
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Disturbing that someone and his wife were killed. Not any more disturbing than anyone else getting killed, though -- gov't officials (especially those feeding into or running the US prison-industrial complex) aren't somehow entitled to EXTRA mourning over anyone else who happens to lose their life.

Have to say that with excessively long prison sentences, no easy expungement of records in some states, comparatively minor offenses being elevated to felonies, cuts in prison educational programs, and the fact that we're keeping 1% of all Americans incarcerated, we're creating an angry underclass with no prospects and little to lose. Those shootings might be a sign that our unjust justice system needs reform, and the sooner the better.

Hope they catch the killers and lock them up. Also hope that people will ask more questions.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:32 AM
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Disturbing that someone and his wife were killed. Not any more disturbing than anyone else getting killed -- gov't officials (especially those feeding into or running the US prison-industrial complex) aren't somehow entitled to EXTRA mourning over anyone else who happens to lose their life.
Agreed - no extra special mourning deserved.

The disturbing aspect, to me anyway - is that this might signal an attempt by one or more collections of miscreants to mimic the "techniques" widely employed by drug kings in Mexico.

Some talk, based on common involvement in some cases by the two DA types murdered, that one potential collection of said miscreants could be connected to a specific "radical skinhead organization."
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Disturbing that someone and his wife were killed. Not any more disturbing than anyone else getting killed, though -- gov't officials (especially those feeding into or running the US prison-industrial complex) aren't somehow entitled to EXTRA mourning over anyone else who happens to lose their life.

Have to say that with excessively long prison sentences, no easy expungement of records in some states, comparatively minor offenses being elevated to felonies, cuts in prison educational programs, and the fact that we're keeping 1% of all Americans incarcerated, we're creating an angry underclass with no prospects and little to lose. Those shootings might be a sign that our unjust justice system needs reform, and the sooner the better.

Hope they catch the killers and lock them up. Also hope that people will ask more questions.

So, what would happen if there started to be a rampage, taking out DA's, prison officials, judges and other members of the judicial system? Sounds like you'd be perfectly fine with that.

I am not in any way implying that this murder is more tragic than the murder of an ordinary citizen. I am saying that if the gangs, cartels or whoever start assasinating people in our judicial system and getting away with it, we're fooked.

As far as hoping they catch the killers and lock them up, that's not my hope. I hope the catch them and hang them on National TV. Let the punks thinking about doing such a thing, see them dangling from a rope.
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There was once a Federal Judge in Tyler, Texas, who didn't fool around when it came to hard case criminals. Oddly enough this made him few friends in the criminal class and he received death threats on a regular basis.

And he took them all seriously. His home looked like a bunker. You could hit it with an RPG and perhaps do some damage, but it could take, and did on more than one occasion, anything up to a cal. 50.

He understood that there were very evil people in this world since he saw them everyday and when they said they would kill you if they got the chance they were not just making conversation.

More DA's and those involved with these folks need to take steps to protect themselves against this criminals. I doubt that any group has decided to go on a three state killing spree, but there is clearly no doubt that if they feel it serves their aims they would have no problem with doing so.
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Official: Kaufman County District Attorney Mike McLelland and his wife, Cynthia, were "targeted" in killing - CBS News

I certainly hope that this is not a coming trend. With more and more wimpy people in America, where will they find people brave enough to do these jobs honestly? Maybe that's the problem. Maybe these DA's were the only ones left that couldn't be bought.

There is also the thug that killed the prison official in Colorado. Is this a coming trend?
Someone notify the press as I'm in complete agreement with Larry. Prosecutors and prison officials are not the ones responsible for the really, really mean treatment of bad guys, they are the agents of the public acting, ideally, to protect us from malevolent individuals. I say ideally because some do screw up.

If this trend were to become more widespread, could get harder to find quality people for the positions.
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I just read an article that claimed the DA was always armed, so someone must have gotten the drop on him.

Pretty scary stuff. DA's are going to need a lot more security in the future.

By the way, Kaufman is right next to Dallas but is still a very rural place. Very pretty in some places, very rugged and swampy in others. I have not been there for a long time, but fifty years ago it was known for being a few miles and one hundred years from Dallas.
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I just read an article that claimed the DA was always armed, so someone must have gotten the drop on him.

Pretty scary stuff. DA's are going to need a lot more security in the future.

By the way, Kaufman is right next to Dallas but is still a very rural place. Very pretty in some places, very rugged and swampy in others. I have not been there for a long time, but fifty years ago it was known for being a few miles and one hundred years from Dallas.

Yes, the shooter made it into their home somehow, maybe undetected.
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He was Armed,and answered his front door.

This guy was concerned,BUT not concerned enough to CCTV his front Porch ???

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Old 04-02-2013, 03:44 PM
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He was Armed,and answered his front door.

This guy was concerned,BUT not concerned enough to CCTV his front Porch ???

1st rule:NEVER answer the Front Door.
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I'm pretty sure that if I were a prosecutor or similar, especially where another prosecutor had been shot in the recent past, no way would I open my front door w/o knowing who was there. A peephole is better than nothing but if it's somewhat dark outside and the house is lit inside, you can usually tell when someone is looking through the hole as it darkens when you put your head up to it. Seems technology could find a way around that limitation, as a murderous creep might just shoot through the door.

Better to have well concealed security video cams at all the doors. They're not that expensive, MUCH cheaper than full time security guards, and would give one a big leg up.

The prison official in CO also opened his front door to his killer, not sure on the full details however.

When I drove cab in Seattle, one big reason I didn't carry a gun was the perp can almost always 'get the drop on you.' There were no security screens in that day, and someone behind you will have you at their mercy if that's what they have in mind. Kinda crazy looking back on it. I was attempted scammed many times but never actually held up.
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