Point. Speaking only for myself, i learned the basics of that when riding a bicycle. I would imagine that others did as well, but could be wrong.

Then why did you state that RWD more fun to drive?

You don't have to endanger anybody or anything to see one is more fun than the other.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Okay, okay, i get it. I came across an article in the NY Times called "Cinnamon Challenge" Tossing a car is about the same kind of thrill and test of "skill."

Question for link...

When you drive spiritedly, do you try to approach the limit with regards to your vehicle's capabilities and your skill as a driver?

And read spiritedly - not recklessly. I am talking about driving within limits that are set in place by the authorities.

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16 Lexus IS250 - wifes dd

it's automatic.

I voted for FWD. I love RWD, but for simplicity/usability in all weather, FWD wins for me. All important automotive components are on one end of the car, simplifying maintenance, on the FWD cars I favor, the suspension is simple, repair is simple, still plenty of room, and a much better weight placement for snow driving.

I never drive at the limits of adhesion and have had equal fun in RWD and FWD with just normal driving, so for me, they are equal in that department, leaving FWD pushing past when it comes to better grip in weather situations.

AWD/4WD while better for traction, are high maintenance in comparison. Of the 3 4WD cars/trucks Ive owned, maintenance of the 4WD system was a big pain, and the period of time I saw advantages with the 4WD systems, it was outweighed be the increased complexity and lower economy of the same platform.

for me- FWD>RWD>AWD

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I disagree with FWD being simpler to service. Try changing plugs, pulling transmission, more wear on the front cv joints than any RWD.

Cheaper to build yes, but not cheaper to maintain.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

you missed "on the FWD cars I favor"

The average 4 banger gas FWD is easy to service, V6, not so much. I find the transmissions to be about the same difficulty to remove honestly, again, depends on the car largely.

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RWD is easier to do maintenance on 99% of the time. Compare a clutch replacement between an AWD, RWD, and FWD. That's a big part of why I have a RWD daily driver.

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depends on the car either way is my opinion. For example my 86 jetta, you can remove the engine/tranny combo in less time than it takes to pull the manual transmission from a 123 MB. 3 mounts and the whole thing is out.

Plus Im a big fan of Macpherson struts, I love cars that have them. Couple bolts and the whole thing is out to play with on a table, can't get better than that

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Well shocks only which is mostly why you'd take a strut out, is 500% simpler on a double a arm car....which could be front or rear drive.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

I like the strut setup as it eliminates the whole upper A arm, upper ball joint, ect, and combines everything but the lower control arm into a single easily removed suspension assembly that can be removed and worked on the bench given the right tools.

I just prefer a strut bearing over an upper ball joint personally

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For simplicity, body on frame, inline NA motor, manual trans, rwd, leaf spring, whatever front end.

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+1 servicing RWD.


I can have the transmission pulled out of a Nissan 240SX is less than 45 minutes.


Try that in a comparably priced Civic.

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91 560 SEC AMG - other dogs dd
01 Honda S2000 - dogs dd
07 MB ML320 CDI - dd
16 Lexus IS250 - wifes dd

it's automatic.

I've been very impressed with the old jettas. I helped my roomate change his transmission in the driveway, took around 2 hours

A modern FWD isn't quite that simple, from what I've seen

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If I could find a fairly late-model 'simple' sedan, I might go for a rear-driver. Too bad they don't build cars like that anymore.

Servicing issues are a toss-up. I've seen operations in both FWD and RWD that were a real pain. I stick with inline designs, as many of the V-engines in either can be an SOB to service.

Plus everything RWD now, like my W123s, uses Cv-axles. Though longer-lived because they aren't steering, those eventually develop the same joint issues as FWD.
Since axle rebooting in my two diesels is virtually impossible, replacement is the only option, and the job is much more complicted than in my Camry.

Happy Motoring, Mark

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