Who decides that he's a terrorist? The military? The CIA? St. O'bummer himself?

That's what we have COURTS for, and the process of decision is called A TRIAL!

Using the normal legal system may prevent the extraction of all information. What happens to him after they are certain they have all the truth is irrelavent to me.

His getting into a legal position where he can avoid telling every thing to protect others perhaps has to be bypassed. Conviction is secondary no matter in what form it takes. He at least to me is not a normal criminal by any stretch of the imagination.

X2 on the information gathering.
Dont be too quick on the firing squad though, he may get some of his memory back after prolonged interrogation.

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His brother (probably the driving force behind the mayhem) is dead. He's likely a scared little boy at this point:

"Tell us about your accomplices/controllers, and we'll cut a deal for you that lets you out after 20 years if we can verify what you told us. 39 years old is not such an old age. Otherwise, you'll die of old age in prison. If you're lucky -- it would be a shame if your cellmate has HIV. You have 48 hours to decide, and have a right to have an attorney present during the debriefing."

There are ways to extract info that don't involve us lowering ourselves to the level of a 3rd-world s**thole dictatorship. Torturing someone who's legally in the US AND A CITIZEN BEFORE their guilt is lawfully established stinks to high heaven. Who decides whom to torture? Who decides what evidence is enough to torture without trial?

Frankly, I'm glad that you and layback40 aren't Americans, because disgusting views like yours would give the US a bad name.

Define terrorist?

If you were a red coat getting shot at out of the woods our Founding Fathers would be the terrorists and insurgents.

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The politically correct little boys are having a field day now. Rest assured that if they were within a bulls roar of the bomb going off & broke their fingernail running away, they would feel different. Best they stay home & hide under mom's apron until they are old enough to put on their big boy pants !!

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Having trouble wrapping your brain around that one are you?

- Peter.

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Layback40 -- with all due respect, f**k you. I lived in Philly at the time, but my mother was working next door to the WTC on 9/11. She probably came within a minute of dying that day. My father was due to fly to Los Angeles that evening. I personally knew people who died.

This still does NOT give anyone the right to throw Constitutional rights out the window. That would be an insult to the dead, both on 9/11 and in Boston.

You are an intellectual giant.

Some site posters may just not be aware of how serious it can become to be attacked by people in your own country. Especially when they are impossible to identify until after a deed. I harbour no thoughts or desire of wanting to harm anyone.

What you have seen so far with the twin towers and this is small potatoes to what could be enabled by others. I have felt for a long time that immigration to Canada for example should be screened a lot better than it is. Recent events in Canada and by people using Canada as a base unfortunatly prove the point as well. There is a worldwide hunt for one of the four individuals currently. Two are dead in the Algerian gas plant hostage situation. One is in an african prison and the fourth is unaccounted for.

If it is true the russian intelligence services passed a warning about the older brother along he should have been deported. I hope that report was false in the news but if it was not there again are more serious questions.

For example if the russians reported he was in training at any facility of a subversive nature or only frequented known al quada type people while there. Or even if he was reported as openly bragging about what he might do.

I have a feeling someone from an internal agency might have dropped the ball. If they did approach him over the matter and to me that indicated they were not tracking him well to establish his connections etc if any. They missed the run up to this bombing as well it seems. I wonder if the russian intelligence service is having any thoughs now. All this area probably falls under the national security umbrella so there probably wil be little if any mention of it.

What was mentioned about co operation between countries was probably wrong if true to release to the news media . It gives a heads up warning to some. This too should not have happened. They wil be looking for the infiltrators in their groups now.

I don't disagree with you about screening immigrants, and that someone from a US intelligence agency may have dropped the ball. However, keep in mind that the quality of info coming from the Russians was suspect, since they have their own reasons to bad-mouth children of refugee Chechen political activists. Russians have a long tradition of extra-territorial vengeance.

As far as attacks from "within", this isn't the first time. Remember McVeigh? What about the Weathermen and the Symbionese Army 40 years ago? Haymarket Square? Somehow, we survived.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/site/ct-per-flash-bombings-0421-20130421,0,5149605.story

Besides the Russian info given to the FBI, local enforcement knew someone was testing home made bombs.

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Clearly you are correct, the circumstances truly guide the response.

Those of us who want due process of law are taking a terrible risk with people's lives -- if there are accomplices motivated to carry-on.

It's a horrible balancing act between liberty and security. It isn't well-marked. It doesn't even stay where you last saw it.

I could easily, easily imagine myself torturing somebody whose information held the power of life and death over my family.

On the flip side, I hate the precedent of government suspending the rules that ensure liberty. In the longer run this is more terrible than a bomb.

Governments will expand power at every opportunity, on every front. The sordid history of civilization clearly indicates that governments do not often improve with age. Sometimes they briefly improve with revolution. But not always.

How many of those are absolute rights, free of any and all regulation?

well i see 2 things.first on the news last night they said that homeland security had info on the dead brothers recent trip to a part of russia known for terrorist activity.and 2 also heard the one that survived was shot in the throat.and can not talk.good luck interogating him.he ain't gonna talk no matter how hard you torture him.