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MS Fowler · #46 04-28-2013, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Without any proof, what do we have? Speculation? Conjecture? SWAGs?

Politicians are smarter than you give them credit for. There will be no "smoking gun"

You are free to believe that Barack Obama is the most king-hearted man in the history of the world, and he only wants what is best for "the people".

Do you question my premise that good managers ( even mediocre managers) --if they had the desire and will to do so, could absorb a 2 1/2% cut with no ill affects?

Air&Road · #47 04-28-2013, 07:06 PM

That's right any manager at any level that is worth keeping on the payroll can cut 2 1/2% from their budget. They could do it the next year too. After a few years it gets tougher, but it can happen.

My industry went up and it went down. It was amazing how much could be cut and the ship was still floating. If we had only had to cut 2 1/2% a year it would have been cake.

aklim · #48 04-28-2013, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Politicians are smarter than you give them credit for. There will be no "smoking gun"

You are free to believe that Barack Obama is the most king-hearted man in the history of the world, and he only wants what is best for "the people".

Do you question my premise that good managers ( even mediocre managers) --if they had the desire and will to do so, could absorb a 2 1/2% cut with no ill affects?

So what would you expect a conviction to be based off?

Well, in his mind, perhaps. After all, if we could talk to Hitler, he too would tell you that he is trying to do the world a service by getting the Jewish vermin off the face of the earth. I mean, do you condemn a man for killing vermin?

No but do such personnel exist in govt service?

aklim · #49 04-28-2013, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

That's right any manager at any level that is worth keeping on the payroll can cut 2 1/2% from their budget.

IF they were worth keeping and could make it in the world that demands results, why are they in govt service?

MS Fowler · #50 04-29-2013, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

IF they were worth keeping and could make it in the world that demands results, why are they in govt service?

I would turn that around--idealist that i am.

If they CAN'T do the job, then why ARE they in government service?
When did the government become the employer of last resort?
Should government be the employer of the unemployable?

SwampYankee · #51 04-29-2013, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Do you question my premise that good managers ( even mediocre managers) --if they had the desire and will to do so, could absorb a 2 1/2% cut with no ill affects?

...could absorb an increase 2 1/2% less than anticipated.

aklim · #52 04-29-2013, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I would turn that around--idealist that i am.

If they CAN'T do the job, then why ARE they in government service?

When did the government become the employer of last resort?

Should government be the employer of the unemployable?

To get a job where they are harder to fire.

Does it matter?

No, but it is what it is.

Air&Road · #53 04-29-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

IF they were worth keeping and could make it in the world that demands results, why are they in govt service?

I was speaking of managers in private business. Unfortunately managers in government never learn the meaning of profit. When there's no penalty for losing money, they don't end up learning what they need to know in order to operate in a thrifty manner.

I'm not saying that none of them could make it in private business, but if they did it would be after the learned about something called efficiency.

aklim · #54 04-29-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I was speaking of managers in private business. Unfortunately managers in government never learn the meaning of profit. When there's no penalty for losing money, they don't end up learning what they need to know in order to operate in a thrifty manner.

I'm not saying that none of them could make it in private business, but if they did it would be after the learned about something called efficiency.

Exactly. That is why government done stuff is a mess. No real consequences.

If they could they would leave and work somewhere else.

Air&Road · #55 04-29-2013, 02:18 PM

This brought to mind a common saying of an old German Engineer that I worked for very early in my career. He said something like "anyvon can make it for a million dollars, making it for fifty cents, now THAT's engineering!"

This applies perfectly to government agencies. They don't have to operate with budget constraints, they only have to operate.

aklim · #56 04-29-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

This brought to mind a common saying of an old German Engineer that I worked for very early in my career. He said something like "anyvon can make it for a million dollars, making it for fifty cents, now THAT's engineering!"

This applies perfectly to government agencies. They don't have to operate with budget constraints, they only have to operate.

Why do you think that I ask that the only favor that they do me is to do me NO NEW FAVORS.

buffa98 · #57 05-01-2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

"Stupid" Sequester Foils Fleet Week | New York Daily News

I say good, the thing was a waste of money anyway and somehow I think that the NYC economy will survive without the gov't giving squid an all-expenses paid vaca.

Your right F@&K NYC and fleet week!! I would prefer a westpac much better,!

More to do and "friendlier natives"