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JB3 · #16 04-25-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Hmm.... I can't find it. Would you please help me find in what I wrote where I indicated that I did not want them cutting anything that effected me? I'll help YOU. I did NOT in ANY WAY, suggest such a thing.

Yes, I do indeed propose that ALL agencies have their budgets cut by 2 1/2%. It's REALLY difficult to see how anyone could NOT understand what I wrote.

I DO like your eliminating the elephant from the party analogy though. The only problem is that they need to go WAY beyond that in their cuts. They need to eliminate the parties altogether. If folks want to go to the park, spread out their sheets and have a self funded picnic, they can have all the parties they want, but it's insane for the gooberment to fund the parties. The parties to be cut, should ALSO include Barack & Micheles hell for expen$ive golfing and other vacations. If they want to put together a convoy of their SUV's and truck over to the muny for nine holes, NO PROBLEM! Flying Air Force One at $180k per hour? Uh-uh. They and all other politicians regardless of party should be funding their own vacations.

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I have no opinion about the event one way or the other. The interesting part of the sequestor is that rather than cutting the rate of growth across the board, which would have never been noticed, he did all these HIGHLY VISIBLE cuts, so as to punish the American people in a way to draw attention to his political motives.

Shame on him.

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Sorry, I can't buy that. They could cut 2 1/2% from the budget of EVERY gooberment agency, and except for the political squealing, no one would know the difference. What gooberment organization could NOT find a way to operate on 2 1/2 % less? There's so much fat in every one of them, that there would be a way.

The inference here is that a lot of your usual outage stems from being bothered in the first place, and that you would prefer cuts that in no way are noticable. You have a problem with fleet week being cancelled which will undeniably save money, yet on the same hand, you demand massive cuts to all government organizations.
You should be happy it was cancelled, its gonna save a heck of a lot of money from the Navy's budget now that sequestration has forced an analysis of where money should be spent a little closer. This is money that the Navy will use for some other purpose without asking for more, as dynalow has already pointed out.

If you were going to complain about something, it should be a legitimate complaint, IE, fleet week promotes major tourism in each city it visits, which is an undeniable boom for local economies, and is the money saved by cancelling the tour greater than the money lost by lack of tourist traffic?

instead, as usual, you focus entirely on building a preposterous case against Obama for his choosing public things to cut to humiliate the American people, as if he had direct control over the navy's budgeting decisions during the sequestration. In your zest of playing the blame game, you give the guy way more credit than is due.

Air&Road · #17 04-25-2013, 11:14 AM

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The inference here is that a lot of your usual outage stems from being bothered in the first place, and that you would prefer cuts that in no way are noticable. You have a problem with fleet week being cancelled which will undeniably save money, yet on the same hand, you demand massive cuts to all government organizations.
You should be happy it was cancelled, its gonna save a heck of a lot of money from the Navy's budget now that sequestration has forced an analysis of where money should be spent a little closer. This is money that the Navy will use for some other purpose without asking for more, as dynalow has already pointed out.

If you were going to complain about something, it should be a legitimate complaint, IE, fleet week promotes major tourism in each city it visits, which is an undeniable boom for local economies, and is the money saved by cancelling the tour greater than the money lost by lack of tourist traffic?

instead, as usual, you focus entirely on building a preposterous case against Obama for his choosing public things to cut to humiliate the American people, as if he had direct control over the navy's budgeting decisions during the sequestration. In your zest of playing the blame game, you give the guy way more credit than is due.

You have QUITE an imagination! You equate "Political Squealing" with me saying that I don't want any of my stuff cut? Unbelievable.

Where did I say that I had a problem with fleet week being canceled? More of your unbelievable imagination. IIRC I said specifically that I didn't care if they canceled it or not. See the first sentence in Post #3.

I did NOT say that he was cutting public things to humiliate the American People. I said that he was cutting things that are visible for the purpose of causing people pain for his own political gain. His goal is to cause such pain and blame it on that nasty opposing party. A first year political science major would be able to see that from a mile away.

You have been learning very well from PaulC how to feck with me and are trying to put in the knife so that you can get the most blood when you twist it.
Putting words in my mouth that are TWISTED to mean the total opposite of what I said is a pretty good way to do it.

Are you ready for me to start twisting your words? I am sure that I have misunderstood what people have written in the past, but I have never been so rude as to INTENTIONALLY twist words. I would start doing that, but I have a conscience that prevents me from doing it.

AGAIN! I propose that EVERY agency of the gooberment, Federal, as well as state and local gooberments that are carrying a debt, CUT their budgets 2 1/2% each year until that unit is out of debt. Does THAT sound like I am proposing that they do NOT cut anything that effects me? I don't even get anything from the gooberment. I am one of the people pulling the wagon, so folks like you can lay in the wagon and eat, sleep and fart at my expense. That's okay, because I am one of the workers pulling that wagon because my conscience tells me that it is the right thing to do.

Benz Dr. · #18 04-25-2013, 11:29 AM

Larry? A wise person would give up while they're ahead. However, you're so far behind, your '' ahead '' looks backwards.

Jadavis · #19 04-25-2013, 11:33 AM

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...without the gov't giving squid an all-expenses paid vaca.

Don't know what to say to that...

As a former squid, I would hardly call it a vacation. We would much rather be in our home port with our families. I understand that ships were made to be at sea and supported being out when we were out doing our mission. Pulling into a port to make the politicians happy was not something we were happy about.

Heck, one of our fleet week experiences was to leave home port with high chlorides in one of our steam generators (strictly against procedure and causing damage the whole time), sail to San Francisco, do two loops in the harbor without dropping anchor, sailing right back out and back to home port. The ONLY reason for that trip was to have an aircraft carrier show up at fleet week.

We would rather have staid at home, fixed the ship, and visited our families two nights out of three (three section duty).

Jim

Air&Road · #20 04-25-2013, 11:34 AM

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Larry? A wise person would give up while they're ahead. However, you're so far behind, your '' ahead '' looks backwards.

Yeah, when the opponent makes things up, it sometimes becomes impossible to win. If I were willing to make up lies about what someone else said, I could tilt the playing field in my own direction. I, however, am unwilling to do that. I voice my own opinion, rather than try to make others think that another persons posts are different than what they wrote.

There are too many people here who gang up to attack just to watch people jump. Pretty slimy way to operate, but they are obviously perfectly willing to engage in it. Shows clearly what they are all about. Slime balls are everywhere in this world.

tbomachines · #21 04-25-2013, 12:23 PM

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Larry? A wise person would give up while they're ahead. However, you're so far behind, your '' ahead '' looks backwards.

Quit your slimeball pummeling in poor lil' Larry!

Botnst · #22 04-25-2013, 01:03 PM

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Nav's money better spent elswehere.

During budget cuts, USS Ponce being retrofitted | WVEC.com Norfolk - Hampton Roads

Hey, stay away from that one!

JB3 · #23 04-25-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

You have QUITE an imagination! You equate "Political Squealing" with me saying that I don't want any of my stuff cut? Unbelievable.

Where did I say that I had a problem with fleet week being canceled? More of your unbelievable imagination. IIRC I said specifically that I didn't care if they canceled it or not. See the first sentence in Post #3.

I did NOT say that he was cutting public things to humiliate the American People. I said that he was cutting things that are visible for the purpose of causing people pain for his own political gain. His goal is to cause such pain and blame it on that nasty opposing party. A first year political science major would be able to see that from a mile away.

You have been learning very well from PaulC how to feck with me and are trying to put in the knife so that you can get the most blood when you twist it.
Putting words in my mouth that are TWISTED to mean the total opposite of what I said is a pretty good way to do it.

Are you ready for me to start twisting your words? I am sure that I have misunderstood what people have written in the past, but I have never been so rude as to INTENTIONALLY twist words. I would start doing that, but I have a conscience that prevents me from doing it.

AGAIN! I propose that EVERY agency of the gooberment, Federal, as well as state and local gooberments that are carrying a debt, CUT their budgets 2 1/2% each year until that unit is out of debt. Does THAT sound like I am proposing that they do NOT cut anything that effects me? I don't even get anything from the gooberment. I am one of the people pulling the wagon, so folks like you can lay in the wagon and eat, sleep and fart at my expense. That's okay, because I am one of the workers pulling that wagon because my conscience tells me that it is the right thing to do.

not affiliated with PaulC, though we may share similar fascination in reading the meanderings of a paranoid zealot, sure.

You are so quick to flip out and accuse people of twisting your words while going into the usual self congratulation. Instead, you should practice clarifying your points when people respond instead of this nonsense about wagons and gooberments.

now, why don't you clarify this comment-

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I said that he was cutting things that are visible for the purpose of causing people pain for his own political gain. His goal is to cause such pain and blame it on that nasty opposing party.

1. Lets jump into your paranoia and assume that supernatural deity Obama controls every facet of every thing ever at any time everywhere, always. In short lets assume that Obama has decided to do this, and has something to do with the Navy cancelling the fleet week publicity tour for budget reasons.
2. Whose pain is he causing, and what political gain does he get from it?
3. What political gain does he get by blaming budget constraint cancellations on the nasty opposing party?

You have said that you have no problem with Fleet week being cancelled, so if Obama is involved as you believe, why wouldn't you be tickled pink that fiscal responsibility would be blamed on the nasty opposing party? What gain politically does he get from that?

Air&Road · #24 04-25-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JB3

not affiliated with PaulC, though we may share similar fascination in reading the meanderings of a paranoid zealot, sure.

You are so quick to flip out and accuse people of twisting your words while going into the usual self congratulation. Instead, you should practice clarifying your points when people respond instead of this nonsense about wagons and gooberments.

now, why don't you clarify this comment-

1. Lets jump into your paranoia and assume that supernatural deity Obama controls every facet of every thing ever at any time everywhere, always. In short lets assume that Obama has decided to do this, and has something to do with the Navy cancelling the fleet week publicity tour for budget reasons.
2. Whose pain is he causing, and what political gain does he get from it?
3. What political gain does he get by blaming budget constraint cancellations on the nasty opposing party?

You have said that you have no problem with Fleet week being cancelled, so if Obama is involved as you believe, why wouldn't you be tickled pink that fiscal responsibility would be blamed on the nasty opposing party? What gain politically does he get from that?

You are obviously too blinded by your own zealousness that you are unable to see it.

The sequestor was the arrogant asses own idea. In the sequestor HE is the one that chooses where to cut. By making the cuts very visible, like ships for televised occasions and hassles for air travelers, he makes it widely known that there was a budget cut and points the finger at his opposition to blame for it.

I can't imagine ANYTHING in the news of the last 4 months that has been more obvious. Of course with your liberal tinted glasses, it makes it impossible for you to see. Those glasses prevented you from seeing his tightly closed jaw when he was slamming the opposition for the sequestor, never mind that it was his idea to start with.

MAYBE, those glasses is what made it so difficult for you to understand the VERY SIMPLE plain English that you twisted around so much.

If you ever manage to pry those glasses off of your head, I will continue this dialogue.

JB3 · #25 04-25-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

You are obviously too blinded by your own zealousness that you are unable to see it.

The sequestor was the arrogant asses own idea. In the sequestor HE is the one that chooses where to cut. By making the cuts very visible, like ships for televised occasions and hassles for air travelers, he makes it widely known that there was a budget cut and points the finger at his opposition to blame for it.

I can't imagine ANYTHING in the news of the last 4 months that has been more obvious. Of course with your liberal tinted glasses, it makes it impossible for you to see. Those glasses prevented you from seeing his tightly closed jaw when he was slamming the opposition for the sequestor, never mind that it was his idea to start with.

MAYBE, those glasses is what made it so difficult for you to understand the VERY SIMPLE plain English that you twisted around so much.

If you ever manage to pry those glasses off of your head, I will continue this dialogue.

better bone up on reality Larry. The sequestration was cooked up by Gene Sperling for the budget control act of 2011.

Yes he is a democrat, BUT, the idea of the sequester was to make something that both republicans and democrats at loggerheads would find equally unattractive and give them a time limit to come to an agreement of some kind as it would come into effect automatically if they didn't. I like the idea personally, as blunt as it is, it created a time limit for these guys to work up to.

Obamas idea was the "Grand Bargain", which didn't get any traction.

SwampYankee · #26 04-25-2013, 02:48 PM

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So basically, you want the government to cut all departments, including military spending, yet you object to any cuts being visible or impacting anyone you know or who might complain.

Your new suggestion is to trim all departments in a way that you figure your life won't be impacted and no one will notice, ect.
I have no problem with trimming all departments, however, complaining about the trimming when its obvious is silly.

This is exactly the mentality that got us into this situation in the first place. You want your cake and you want to eat it too. You want to be seen demanding fiscal responsibility, yet you complain when fiscal responsibility is visible and try and twist literally everything you don't like into some kind of evil plot by evil politicians. Give it a rest.

First, I love fleet week, I don't want to lose such an event forever, as its highly interesting getting to tour the nations navy ships. Second, on the other hand, its after all, a superfluous and highly expensive event, so in the interests of saving some cash, I have no problem with cutting it until we are in the black. I think its stupid that it took sequestration to get some of these extra things pared down, and now everyone is whining left and right about it.

Think of it this way, are you really gonna hire the elephant for your daughters sweet 16 when you are 600k in debt and without a job? doesn't it make sense to cancel the party?

To continue with the elephant theme, last year the elephant at the girl's Sweet 15 party weighed 14,259 lbs. Next year, thanks to baseline budgeting, they were expecting a 15,000 lb. elephant. Except due to sequestering it was only fed enough to weigh 14,625 lbs. Was it a 375 LB. CUT!!!? Or a 366 lb. increase?

Of course, the answer is yes to all three questions.

Air&Road · #27 04-25-2013, 02:57 PM

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better bone up on reality Larry. The sequestration was cooked up by Gene Sperling for the budget control act of 2011.

Yes he is a democrat, BUT, the idea of the sequester was to make something that both republicans and democrats at loggerheads would find equally unattractive and give them a time limit to come to an agreement of some kind as it would come into effect automatically if they didn't. I like the idea personally, as blunt as it is, it created a time limit for these guys to work up to.

Obamas idea was the "Grand Bargain", which didn't get any traction.

Maybe not the arrogant asses idea, but he bought into it, proposed it and hung his hat on it. As with other things that failed for Obama, he ran from it as hard as he could as soon as it turned into a hot potato.

If he were to ever own up to a mistake, I think it would be tough on the country. It would overload the CCU wards very quickly it would be such a shock to many people.

Air&Road · #28 04-25-2013, 02:57 PM

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To continue with the elephant theme, last year the elephant at the girl's Sweet 15 party weighed 14,259 lbs. Next year, thanks to baseline budgeting, they were expecting a 15,000 lb. elephant. Except due to sequestering it was only fed enough to weigh 14,625 lbs. Was it a 375 LB. CUT!!!? Or a 366 lb. increase?

Of course, the answer is yes to all three questions.

JB3 · #29 04-25-2013, 03:05 PM

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Maybe not the arrogant asses idea, but he bought into it, proposed it and hung his hat on it. As with other things that failed for Obama, he ran from it as hard as he could as soon as it turned into a hot potato.

If he were to ever own up to a mistake, I think it would be tough on the country. It would overload the CCU wards very quickly it would be such a shock to many people.

Seeing as how both sides of congress decided to pass sequestration, and Obama signed it into law, and subsequently both parties dickered for years trying to gain the upper hand and pass a budget before it set in, I fail to see how he bought into it any more than anyone else, and im glad he did, as well as everyone else in congress. It was a necessary reduction, though only a first step, and only a reduction of growth, not a true reduction in debt. Still, its something

First you blame it completely on him so he "arrogantly chooses what to cut publicly", now you retract that and state he ran from it as hard as he could? Clearly whatever this guy does is irrelevant to your position labeling him as the antichrist.

Air&Road · #30 04-25-2013, 03:12 PM

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Seeing as how both sides of congress decided to pass sequestration, and Obama signed it into law, and subsequently both parties dickered for years trying to gain the upper hand and pass a budget before it set in, I fail to see how he bought into it any more than anyone else, and im glad he did, as well as everyone else in congress. It was a necessary reduction, though only a first step, and only a reduction of growth, not a true reduction in debt. Still, its something

First you blame it completely on him so he "arrogantly chooses what to cut publicly", now you retract that and state he ran from it as hard as he could? Clearly whatever this guy does is irrelevant to your position labeling him as the antichrist.

The bolded it part is FOR SURE something that we can agree on. Yes I did INDEED blame the crap on him, and he DID INDEED run from it once it turned into the political turd in the punchbowl. This is his standard MO.