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Old 04-30-2013, 11:09 AM
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EVERYONE, regardless of whether they are on the left wingtip, the right wingtip, or the center aisle THINKS that they are in the middle.
true, and some of us actually are.

Your failing IMO is jumping to conclusions based on rumor and passion, which is why I call you a radical, not a conservative. For me personally, your vendetta against Obama threads serve to remind me of one thing, that its necessary to actually understand something before leveling an opinion on it.
If anything, you've made me more moderate than before, as I would hate to be so whipsawed by emotional rage without basis in fact as you apparently are on a daily basis.

Has Obama made mistakes? yeah, and plenty of them, and I am not in agreement with many of his policies, especially on the fiscal front, HOWEVER, I like to think I try and understand each issue before I get upset about it. Sometimes a decision is made for whatever reason, and actually understanding the reasons may help us make an informed opinion on whether or not we agree on the decision.

Hes just a man with a hard job and a little less than half the country hates him for reasons that they think they know, and some of them actually have some idea of why they hate. Hes not the antichrist. Hes like any other president in that respect.

you think he wants to crown himself king and rule the country as a despot? get real, the guy is probably counting the days until the end of his presidency, and trying to accomplish something until then. I know id be

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Old 04-30-2013, 11:14 AM
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How come we never see any left wing outrage threads? We constantly get these childish end of the world threads and the ones that try to pretend that Obama is Hitler and so forth, but never any left wing rants.

What is the explanation?
Some of us see your postings as filling the void !!

You are welcome to start as many threads as you like !!
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true, and some of us actually are.

Your failing IMO is jumping to conclusions based on rumor and passion, which is why I call you a radical, not a conservative. For me personally, your vendetta against Obama threads serve to remind me of one thing, that its necessary to actually understand something before leveling an opinion on it.
If anything, you've made me more moderate than before, as I would hate to be so whipsawed by emotional rage without basis in fact as you apparently are on a daily basis.

Has Obama made mistakes? yeah, and plenty of them, and I am not in agreement with many of his policies, especially on the fiscal front, HOWEVER, I like to think I try and understand each issue before I get upset about it. Sometimes a decision is made for whatever reason, and actually understanding the reasons may help us make an informed opinion on whether or not we agree on the decision.

Hes just a man with a hard job and a little less than half the country hates him for reasons that they think they know, and some of them actually have some idea of why they hate. Hes not the antichrist. Hes like any other president in that respect.

you think he wants to crown himself king and rule the country as a despot? get real, the guy is probably counting the days until the end of his presidency, and trying to accomplish something until then. I know id be

To begin with you are proving my point. You think you are in the middle.

You are wrong about half the country "hating" the President. I think that most of the people that you absurdly claim that they "hate" the President are like me in that they hate the ACTIONS OF the President. I don't hate him as a man or a husband or a citizen. I only hate what he and his kind from both parties are doing to destroy our country.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:21 AM
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You think you are in the middle, Larry?
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You think you are in the middle, Larry?

Absolutely not! I never claimed that. I am only pointing out that most everyone does think that.

Are you?
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I hate to be the one to tell you but Obama is far from a liberal.
What? I guess that you have never read how he voted as a U.S. senator if it wasn't a vote of being present it was the number three most liberal senator on record. Just to add to that he was active in the senate about one and a half years the rest was on the campaign (lie to voters) trail.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:26 AM
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To begin with you are proving my point. You think you are in the middle.

You are wrong about half the country "hating" the President. I think that most of the people that you absurdly claim that they "hate" the President are like me in that they hate the ACTIONS OF the President. I don't hate him as a man or a husband or a citizen. I only hate what he and his kind from both parties are doing to destroy our country.

So, how many character assassination threads have you started on something ridiculous about Obama and then deserted when you lost the argument?
You don't think a fixation on grasping at any straw you can to damage the president's on a several times a day basis doesn't qualify as hate? And thats on just this forum, let alone all the ones you frequent, and all the threads that turn into a debate about Obama with your direction.

You would have a lot more credibility if you complained about things that were A. Real, and B. supported by fact that others could take a look at.

Like I said in another thread, you give the guy too much credit as a supervillain behind hundreds of dastardly plots. He sure doesn't have the power you think he has.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:27 AM
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The main stream media is unfortunately far from liberal in its bias.
What? Even the liberals admit that the mainstream media carries the water for them.
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What? Even the liberals admit that the mainstream media carries the water for them.

personally, I find the biased main stream media pretty evenly divided (yes, fox news does count as main stream). The pro-democrat outlets may be larger, but the pro-republican outlets shout louder and longer.
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How come we never see any left wing outrage threads? We constantly get these childish end of the world threads and the ones that try to pretend that Obama is Hitler and so forth, but never any left wing rants.

What is the explanation?
It has much to do with Presidential politics, mainly because Congressional politics is harder to follow over time. Just set your WayBack Machine to the not so distant Bush-era, and you'll find what you're looking for.
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So, how many character assassination threads have you started on something ridiculous about Obama and then deserted when you lost the argument have you started?
You don't think a fixation on grasping at any straw you can to damage the president's on a several times a day basis doesn't qualify as hate? And thats on just this forum, let alone all the ones you frequent, and all the threads that turn into a debate about Obama with your direction.

You would have a lot more credibility if you complained about things that were A. Real, and B. supported by fact that others could take a look at.

Like I said in another thread, you give the guy too much credit as a supervillain behind hundreds of dastardly plots. He sure doesn't have the power you think he has.

You are obviously having difficulty separating falsehoods from reality. As I CLEARLY stated, I do NOT hate Obama or anyone else. I HATE his actions, and it is his actions that have warranted frequent posts.

Hopefully, you will be able to figure out the difference some day.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:33 AM
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You are obviously having difficulty separating falsehoods from reality. As I CLEARLY stated, I do NOT hate Obama or anyone else. I HATE his actions, and it is his actions that have warranted frequent posts.

Hopefully, you will be able to figure out the difference some day.

so, are you retracting the 5200 times you stated he wanted to become king and enslave us?


EDIT- let me put it this way.

You have never said "I hate Obama", but as you brought up and I will expand on, one cannot separate their actions from their persons, and your actions are those of someone who hates, and hates deeply, many many things. The hate runs so deep in you, that matters that you would agree with logically are overrun and flooded by your pure hate. Take citizens rights for example.
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It has much to do with Presidential politics, mainly because Congressional politics is harder to follow over time. Just set your WayBack Machine to the not so distant Bush-era, and you'll find what you're looking for.

Yes, that's true, but it also has to do with the fact that the President is SUPPOSED TO BE the leader, setting policies and selling the congress on those policies. That means that the President is supposed to accept responsibility. You know, the old "Buck Stops Here" attitude like Truman had.

Unfortunately we've had a few Presidents in a row that don't know anything to do besides point the finger at someone else, PASSING the buck instead of STOPPING the buck.

The current President is the absolutely MASTER when it comes to blaming others. If he were to accept full responsibility for just ONE THING that has gone wrong, I would be able to muster up some respect for his modus operandi.
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personally, I find the biased main stream media pretty evenly divided (yes, fox news does count as main stream). The pro-democrat outlets may be larger, but the pro-republican outlets shout louder and longer.
How do the republican outlets speak louder and longer, please explain? The last I checked there was one somewhat right leaning media enterprise and the rest are very left biased.
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so, are you retracting the 5200 times you stated he wanted to become king and enslave us?

Not all, becoming King is an ACTION. He most definitely wants to be King. No doubt about it. I don't hold any personal hate for him because of it. I think it is a disappointing goal to see in an elected official.

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