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JB3 · #76 05-09-2013, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I suppose it would depend on where the back was broke and what else was done. If you severed the spinal column at the right place, you can cause death. Other places would cause paralysis. Too bad the perp died though.

yeah, if he was alive, it would be one thing. The death opens a whole new type of investigation.

aklim · #77 05-09-2013, 09:40 AM

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yeah, if he was alive, it would be one thing. The death opens a whole new type of investigation.

It should if you go by the book. However, people being people and will have to run for election probably will let it slide.

HuskyMan · #78 05-09-2013, 09:43 AM

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When I see a hot girl, my natural reaction is to pull her aside and have sex with her. Depending on how I do it, I might get laid or get to lay guys in prison. What you are doing is pulling an extreme case out. You can do what it takes to neutralize the threat but nowhere does it say you can legally go on past that point. If you attack me with your fists, I can hit you until you pose no threat. OTOH, if I take it further and kill you, I could face trouble. I can shoot you for breaking into my home if you pose a threat. OTOH, if you are badly wounded and I execute you, that crosses the line. What you want is a license to cross the line because you are infuriated.

Again, you state the obvious. What, exactly constitutes meeting the attacker with just enough force to stop the attack? Who gets to judge that you acted appropriately or that you used too much force? Don't hit the perp too hard or cause him too much damage. Restrain yourself, count to ten before beating him.

HuskyMan · #79 05-09-2013, 09:46 AM

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Yes and no. The guarantee is that there are means to charge the cops and thus prod them into action. There is no guarantee from the standpoint that you don't get to charge them for an "I'm not happy with the outcome". Again, if you want to, ask your buddy in Blackwater and see how much he will charge you or I to guard our person like you want the cops to do. Then compare how much you pay for police. I think you are going to find out that you pay more like thousands of dollars for Blackwater vs the few bucks that the police get from the chunk of money you pay in taxes that also fund other stuff.

Chapter and verse please. I'd like to read with my own eyes a case where a cop was charged with a crime for failing to provide security services. If you know of such a case, please provide the jurisdiction and case number so I can review it.

aklim · #80 05-09-2013, 09:50 AM

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Again, you state the obvious. What, exactly constitutes meeting the attacker with just enough force to stop the attack? Who gets to judge that you acted appropriately or that you used too much force? Don't hit the perp too hard or cause him too much damage. Restrain yourself, count to ten before beating him.

Again, you choose to extrapolate it to wild proportions. Obviously if he isn't putting up resistance any more or endangering you, he is done. IF you accomplished that with your first shot, hitting him again and again is kinda excessive. If I gut shoot you and you are writhing in pain or passed out, I would think a head shot at this time is kinda excessive.

Why don't you state your goal here? To stop the attack or to vent your frustration and/or anger till you are tired out or forced to stop. IF someone broke in and attacked my wife, me or my dogs, I'd attempt to take them out with one shot and won't shed a tear if they died except when I saw the cleaning bill and the paperwork. OTOH, if they are down, I certainly won't empty the magazine into them and reload and fire some more. What you seem to be stating is that if you are not allowed to do as you please, it isn't justice.

HuskyMan · #81 05-09-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Zulfiqar

the call 911 is hilarious.

pedo nutjob is in the act and the parent tells him that "excuse me sir - please stay put I have called 911 and the Constable will be arriving soon to sort this out"

How much second hand diesel smoke mixed with the white ciggie smoke does one need to agree to that.

to the above post - I dont think a convicted pedophile caught and beat in the act again would stand any sort of ground in any court in any part of this world - no matter if he hires the character of Al Pacino from devil's advocate as his lawyer. It doesnt even matter if its a first time felony for the offender - caught in act of harming a juvenile family member is a done deal of being shoved into a cellar resembling a sewer.

Hilarious huh? I've had cops tell me TO MY FACE that when faced with an attacker the proper course of action is to dial 911 and ask for assistance from the police.

aklim · #82 05-09-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

Chapter and verse please. I'd like to read with my own eyes a case where a cop was charged with a crime for failing to provide security services. If you know of such a case, please provide the jurisdiction and case number so I can review it.

Is that their mandate? To provide security to YOU? I think not. As was mentioned, their mandate is to provide for the general public and not an individual. They even charged a cop for not securing his gun so what makes you think that they won't be charged if they act against public interests?

aklim · #83 05-09-2013, 10:05 AM

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Hilarious huh? I've had cops tell me TO MY FACE that when faced with an attacker the proper course of action is to dial 911 and ask for assistance from the police.

Depends on the question you asked him/her and how extremely you want to stretch the thing. Did you ask if you can legally defend yourself?

Txjake · #84 05-09-2013, 10:18 AM

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Hilarious huh? I've had cops tell me TO MY FACE that when faced with an attacker the proper course of action is to dial 911 and ask for assistance from the police.

Then they were WRONG.....

aklim · #85 05-09-2013, 10:22 AM

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Then they were WRONG.....

Depending on what the question was, they could be. If he asked "What is the absolute safest and most painless, legally speaking, way to deal with the case?", they could be right. However, as he has shown, he can pick apart a sentence and write it for his own purposes so I'd be hesitant to judge the cops that harshly without hearing their side of it.

HuskyMan · #86 05-09-2013, 10:25 AM

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Is that their mandate? To provide security to YOU? I think not. As was mentioned, their mandate is to provide for the general public and not an individual. They even charged a cop for not securing his gun so what makes you think that they won't be charged if they act against public interests?

Exactly, a review of the link you provided:

Public-Duty Doctrine Law & Legal Definition

And, to requote from the link above:

"When there is only a general duty to protect the public, there is no duty of care to an individual citizen which may result in liability. In short a duty to all is a duty to no one. "

P.C. · #87 05-09-2013, 10:25 AM

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Hilarious huh? I've had cops tell me TO MY FACE that when faced with an attacker the proper course of action is to dial 911 and ask for assistance from the police.

...but Your Honor, the reason that I shot that guy five times in the head for criticizing my parallel parking is that a policeman once told me that if attacked, I should empty my gun into an attacker....

Zulfiqar · #88 05-09-2013, 10:26 AM

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Hilarious huh? I've had cops tell me TO MY FACE that when faced with an attacker the proper course of action is to dial 911 and ask for assistance from the police.

Next time when you are at the wrong end of assault or getting violated in any way by criminals, Try what the cops said, if they can start their cruisers and get out of the donut drive thru and get to YOUR LOCATION in time, you win.

It usually (read as never) happens. By the time they show up you are dead, besides yourself or parted with property.. The court is not going to buy it back for you or appoint a prophet to perform a life injection into you.

By your rationale - if a woman uses pepperspray to stop a criminal she is legally supposed to be in jail for attacking the poor innocent criminal. In a court proceeding - I would borrow aklim's truck set it on highest max fuel, brake torque the daylights out of it with the exhaust pointed into the windows of the jury room along with mary jane for free.

They still would not convict the woman.

catmandoo62 · #89 05-09-2013, 10:41 AM

this happened about 20 miles from where i live Tracey Richter Found Guilty -- Iowa Jury Convicts Woman Who Shot Neighbor In 2001 what they didn't say is she shot him i think 3 times then went to check on the kids,she then came back and shot him 6 times in the back of the head.this is what got her busted.those last 6 shots.kinda hard to claim self defense when ya shoot em in the back of the head.

HuskyMan · #90 05-09-2013, 11:34 AM

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Next time when you are at the wrong end of assault or getting violated in any way by criminals, Try what the cops said, if they can start their cruisers and get out of the donut drive thru and get to YOUR LOCATION in time, you win.

It usually (read as never) happens. By the time they show up you are dead, besides yourself or parted with property.. The court is not going to buy it back for you or appoint a prophet to perform a life injection into you.

By your rationale - if a woman uses pepperspray to stop a criminal she is legally supposed to be in jail for attacking the poor innocent criminal. In a court proceeding - I would borrow aklim's truck set it on highest max fuel, brake torque the daylights out of it with the exhaust pointed into the windows of the jury room along with mary jane for free.

They still would not convict the woman.

You appear to be confused concerning who said what to who. The cop's statement to me is not MY rationale, it was/is HIS statement/rationale.

Take off your emotion glasses for a moment and think. Everyone and everything is in the business of promotion. McDonald's restaurants is in the business of promoting (drum roll please) MCDONALD'S!!!!

So, carrying this idea forward, the police are in the business of promoting (drum roll please) THE POLICE!!!! THEY BOTH NEED AND WANT YOU TO CALL THEM AND CALL THEM OFTEN. Otherwise, they might go the way any private enterprise does when public demand subsides and GO OUT OF BUSINESS.

If the public makes the conscious decisions to provide for their own security, either by hiring a private security firm or doing it themselves, they will soon come to the conclusion that they do not need nor want the police providing security. The cops, on the other hand, need for you to need them, thus, they keep telling us that when faced with a crisis, DIAL 911 and request police assistance. In other words, when you dial 911 and ask for police assistance you are literally VOTING to keep them in business.

Here is how the cops think (fast forward past the advertisement):

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