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cixelsyD · #46 05-24-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I'm quite sure that the gay groups had some serious parties last night. They were celebrating their great new recruiting organization.

A very sad day seeing deeper and more rapidly growing decadence in America.

HUH? That's so far out of the realm of what's in my head, that I'm having a tough time parsing it.

To me, a more relevant question would be: "Why are we now forcing our neurosis over sexuality on Boy Scouts now?" THEY'RE KIDS!

We should be telling all of them the same thing when they're kids.
"We're here and we love you. Try to be better than us. You'll make mistakes, you'll learn from them. We'll still be here loving you."

Why are we forcing kids to even DEAL with this?

Complete and total BS, IMHO.

cixelsyD · #47 05-24-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

There were no homosexuals in our troop. It was an average sized troop ~35-40 boys and not affiliated to any religious group. We met in a local elementary school.

In my experiences in scouting as a kid (30 years ago) we didn't talk very much about vagina either.

In fact, I can't think of a single time that it would have been relevant for someone to even bring sexual orientation into a conversation when I was involved in scouting. I WAS A KID!

LET KIDS BE KIDS!

MTI · #48 05-24-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

I expect them to remove God and morally straight next...because it offends someone.

The quoted position of the deity changes quite often over time.

Are you wearing clothing spun of two different threads? Have you ever mixed crops in a field? Kept the sabbath? Touched a football lately?

God is on the money, but it's not been stricken despite the decisions made in this country's history.

Brian Carlton · #49 05-24-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Since most of you who support this have never been affiliated with the BSA, you have no idea how the camps are done.

Another member with extreme clairvoyance. It's amazing how many of them are on here.

Naturally, nothing...........not a whit..........to support the contention.

ramonajim · #50 05-24-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Boys share tents with each other, or in some cases, cabins. When it's hot at night, they generally sleep on top of their sleeping bags in their underwear. These boys do not need to be exposed to a situation where a fellow scout, quite possibly sleeping next to them in a tent, comes out as a homosexual. First off, the straight boy will wind up being grossed out and want to fight the offending boy. The offending boy will be a mess from it, and will tell their parents. The parents will contact an attorney. The attorney will sue the BSA, and we will no longer have a BSA.

Kinda of like how the decades of "secret lists" and organized cover ups have resulted in BSA being destroyed by parents of all the boys molested by (theoretically heterosexual) troop leaders and other volunteers?

You're either intentionally ignoring reality or just plain blind if you can't see the massive disconnect in your logic.

davidmash · #51 05-24-2013, 05:57 PM

Cub scout and boy scout for about 6 years.

Not sure why people think that allowing the gays who are currently in the BSA to be open about who they are will change their behavior in the BSA. There is no evidence to support this motion.

I think the BSA will survive and be a better organization for it.

GO BSA.

cixelsyD · #52 05-24-2013, 06:21 PM

I'm truly astonished at the polarity surrounding this event, but not the way everyone else is expressing on either side; shocked by it, amazed, confused.

From my speed read through the thread, there's total polarity. Left or right.

Could there be a third possibility here?

If your desire for weiner or vajayjay defines you to a point where folks in the Scouting world would ever even hear about it, maybe Scouting isn't for you.

If, as a kid, you'd have made me even PONDER making that decision or judging someone else for it, I'd have walked away.

Perhaps the lesson we want kids to learn is "Be a good human, Be honest, Continue learning and growing your whole life, Be a good steward of everything you see yours or not, It's more important to be kind than to be right, Mistakes=experience=virtue...virtue can't be beaten or extolled"

Why are we spending so much time talking about our junk? LMAO

tbomachines · #53 05-24-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cixelsyD

I'm truly astonished at the polarity surrounding this event, but not the way everyone else is expressing on either side; shocked by it, amazed, confused.

From my speed read through the thread, there's total polarity. Left or right.

Could there be a third possibility here?

If your desire for weiner or vajayjay defines you to a point where folks in the Scouting world would ever even hear about it, maybe Scouting isn't for you.

If, as a kid, you'd have made me even PONDER making that decision or judging someone else for it, I'd have walked away.

Perhaps the lesson we want kids to learn is "Be a good human, Be honest, Continue learning and growing your whole life, Be a good steward of everything you see yours or not, It's more important to be kind than to be right, Mistakes=experience=virtue...virtue can't be beaten or extolled"

Why are we spending so much time talking about our junk? LMAO

I'm with you in general but the amount of 12 year old kids calling each other fags is astoundingly large. The BSA is not the root of this but more societal intolerance.

Air&Road · #54 05-24-2013, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Larry has tried this same song and dance for years and it has never worked for him. You being pretty new at this game might want to come up with a different plan of attack. Your future with this line of defense does not bode well.

Martureo is much more articulate than myself and he will do just fine. The problem is not with him. He knows right from wrong and proper moral behavior, something that some of our members here are desparately lacking, therefore are unable to relate to.

The Clk Man · #55 05-24-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

As an Eagle Scout, former volunteer for the Dan Beard Council, former Scout Master, and former Cub Scout Daycamp Director...I can say with all certainty that I am not aware of any public monies being used to support the BSA. Our funding came from fund raisers, private donations and dwindling support from charitable organizations.

This is a sad day in BSA. Since most of you who support this have never been affiliated with the BSA, you have no idea how the camps are done. Boys share tents with each other, or in some cases, cabins. When it's hot at night, they generally sleep on top of their sleeping bags in their underwear. These boys do not need to be exposed to a situation where a fellow scout, quite possibly sleeping next to them in a tent, comes out as a homosexual. First off, the straight boy will wind up being grossed out and want to fight the offending boy. The offending boy will be a mess from it, and will tell their parents. The parents will contact an attorney. The attorney will sue the BSA, and we will no longer have a BSA.

This isn't a situation where they are flowing with enough cash to settle out of court. This is a cash strapped organization that does what it can to provide the proper boy scouting experience for kids.

I, for one, am glad I no longer have anything to do with the BSA. I feel they folded to a minority group's PR campaign out of desperation.

I suppose they will now change the Oath.

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

I expect them to remove God and morally straight next...because it offends someone.

I totally agree Brother.

cixelsyD · #56 05-24-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

I'm with you in general but the amount of 12 year old kids calling each other fags is astoundingly large. The BSA is not the root of this but more societal intolerance.

When I was a kid, we called each other pollacks and queers...I don't think 5% of us knew that was someone from Poland or a homosexual. It was just generic and bad.

tbomachines · #57 05-24-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

As an Eagle Scout, former volunteer for the Dan Beard Council, former Scout Master, and former Cub Scout Daycamp Director...I can say with all certainty that I am not aware of any public monies being used to support the BSA. Our funding came from fund raisers, private donations and dwindling support from charitable organizations.

This is a sad day in BSA. Since most of you who support this have never been affiliated with the BSA, you have no idea how the camps are done. Boys share tents with each other, or in some cases, cabins. When it's hot at night, they generally sleep on top of their sleeping bags in their underwear. These boys do not need to be exposed to a situation where a fellow scout, quite possibly sleeping next to them in a tent, comes out as a homosexual. First off, the straight boy will wind up being grossed out and want to fight the offending boy. The offending boy will be a mess from it, and will tell their parents. The parents will contact an attorney. The attorney will sue the BSA, and we will no longer have a BSA.

This isn't a situation where they are flowing with enough cash to settle out of court. This is a cash strapped organization that does what it can to provide the proper boy scouting experience for kids.

I, for one, am glad I no longer have anything to do with the BSA. I feel they folded to a minority group's PR campaign out of desperation.

I suppose they will now change the Oath.

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

I expect them to remove God and morally straight next...because it offends someone.

Having shared a tent with a gay guy (who had confided in me prior) three summers in a row for a week and a half at a time, I have quite an idea of how camps and cabins are done...bring an eagle scout, spl for 4 years and being involved for most my youth life. I was never raped, never compromised, never drugged or what have you. My friend appreciated having someone who didn't make fun of him and give him the room he needed and people he trusted. I've kept in touch with him and he's been quite successful in the military...

tbomachines · #58 05-24-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cixelsyD

When I was a kid, we called each other pollacks and queers...I don't think 5% of us knew that was someone from Poland or a homosexual. It was just generic and bad.

But then when someone finds out they're one of those?

cixelsyD · #59 05-24-2013, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

But then when someone finds out they're one of those?

How does forcing this ridiculous matter to public exposure and a vote solve the problem of kids teasing each other?

..."Scout" will be something mean kids scream at each other in 10 years.

tbomachines · #60 05-24-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cixelsyD

How does forcing this ridiculous matter to public exposure and a vote solve the problem of kids teasing each other?

..."Scout" will be something mean kids scream at each other in 10 years.

Well nowadays calling someone a pollack doesn't really mean anything (being polish myself, nobody cared for the most part) but calling someone a fag does mean something (mods i realize i talked around the filter, infraction incoming, but its not derogatory toward a member but a cultural critique on topic) I hope someday it'll be the same sort of stupidity.