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Old 05-30-2013, 09:25 AM
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Rookie cop with rookie cop killed the man. 6 shots in the chest...

Family Wants Independent Investigation For Deadly Officer Shooting « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:45 AM
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Rookie cop with rookie cop killed the man. 6 shots in the chest...

Family Wants Independent Investigation For Deadly Officer Shooting « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth
"Waller, 72, was shot six times in the chest after he went outside to investigate bright lights outside of the bedroom on Havenwood Lane."

Combine the fact that Walter went outside holding onto a hand gun awaiting the arrival of ROOKIE under trained cops, spells disaster. IMHO, always always expect the stupid train to arrive on schedule, that way you will stay clear of trouble.

I rest my case.
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:52 AM
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"Waller, 72, was shot six times in the chest after he went outside to investigate bright lights outside of the bedroom on Havenwood Lane."

Combine the fact that Walter went outside holding onto a hand gun awaiting the arrival of ROOKIE under trained cops, spells disaster. IMHO, always always expect the stupid train to arrive on schedule, that way you will stay clear of trouble.

I rest my case.
So, we are now living in a land where we cower inside, awaiting the police to come?

Texas Castle Doctrine contradicts this. Of course, it does not make him less dead, even that he was in the right. It means we shouldn't put morons in uniform with badges and guns and a free license to kill anyone they want when they "fear for their safety"
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:58 AM
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So, we are now living in a land where we cower inside, awaiting the police to come?

Texas Castle Doctrine contradicts this. Of course, it does not make him less dead, even that he was in the right. It means we shouldn't put morons in uniform with badges and guns and a free license to kill anyone they want when they "fear for their safety"
Now we are getting down to business. Quoting you, "we shouldn't put morons in uniform with badges and guns......" For the record, there is no "we" when it comes to the hiring and firing of cops. Again, for the record, the police answer to City Council and City Council ONLY. Unless you have a seat on City Council, they don't answer to "We". "We" have absolutely NO control over their hiring, firing, back ground checks, psychological testing, training or lack thereof. OTH, "We", are the beneficiaries of all of it.

You are not receiving all the government you are paying for. I suggest you lodge a complaint and see if they give a damn.

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Old 05-31-2013, 12:15 AM
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Now we are getting down to business. Quoting you, "we shouldn't put morons in uniform with badges and guns......" For the record, there is no "we" when it comes to the hiring and firing of cops. Again, for the record, the police answer to City Council and City Council ONLY. Unless you have a seat on City Council, they don't answer to "We". "We" have absolutely NO control over their hiring, firing, back ground checks, psychological testing, training or lack thereof. OTH, "We", are the beneficiaries of all of it.

You are not receiving all the government you are paying for. I suggest you lodge a complaint and see if they give a damn.
A different issue is who wants to be a Cop? The list must be extremely small.
A lot of X Military Combat Vets end up being Cops.
The Police Training may not be able to overcome the Military Training and the responses they developed to survive in Combat.
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Old 05-30-2013, 10:01 AM
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So, we are now living in a land where we cower inside, awaiting the police to come?

Texas Castle Doctrine contradicts this. Of course, it does not make him less dead, even that he was in the right. It means we shouldn't put morons in uniform with badges and guns and a free license to kill anyone they want when they "fear for their safety"
No easy answers for this. Do the best and brightest line up to be cops? Does a society w/o cops sound good or sound like Somalia?

It's human nature for cops to fear for their safety. It takes a mature person to have the calmness to assess the situation first. Maturity comes from experience. Experience comes from immaturity (to paraphrase the saying).
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Old 05-30-2013, 11:11 AM
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These type of things are bound to happen from time to time. Not much can be done practically to eliminate them.

As long as criminal activity exists in society there will be always be problems. My slight concern is with such light penalties criminal activity seems to be generally on the increase in areas that once had virtually none.

Factor in that police also think in some areas the courts are too laid back. The police feel there is no point in going through the motions. Same problem same person a few weeks later. Almost a constant merry go round of repetition.
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Light penalties? We have one of the harshest injustice systems in the Western world. Death penalty? Check. Life without for 3 strikes even if murder is not involved? Check. Abolition of parole in the Federal system? Check.

If you want to see a cause, look to the educational system and general lack of opportunity for certain segments of society.

Lastly: crime rates have actually DROPPED significantly in most parts of the US in the last 20-30 years, despite meedjuh hype about sensational crimes.
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Old 05-30-2013, 11:42 AM
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It's a sad situation and I empathize with the family of the victim. There is always a lesson to be learned and those with the eyes to see and ears to hear will always learn from it.
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Old 05-30-2013, 11:53 AM
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No easy answers for this. Do the best and brightest line up to be cops? Does a society w/o cops sound good or sound like Somalia?

It's human nature for cops to fear for their safety. It takes a mature person to have the calmness to assess the situation first. Maturity comes from experience. Experience comes from immaturity (to paraphrase the saying).
So it appears we must weather the "Rookie cop" period of time until they graduate to "experienced cop", whenever that is. Kinda like Microsoft using Microsoft customers as "software testers" to ferret out the bugs in their software.
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