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cmac2012 · #**106** 06-24-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Yes I am serious. How is a book that cannot be verified be more valid than science and simple logic?

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. The bible is good history among other things. Heaven and Hell seem to be useful metaphors, at least some of the time. Whether they exist in any tangible form can never be proved or disproved though I really don't think there's a pit of fire somewhere or the cartoonish cloud strewn paradise cliché.

panZZer · #**107** 06-24-2013, 02:30 PM

I didn't sign up for this deal, religion is anchient civilizations answer to "how do we make people behave".
They weren't thinking in the bigger picture -- outside their own region though, so th preachers cousins invented war.

pawoSD · #**108** 06-24-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I'm not saying there are no other dimensions out there. It has yet to been proven to exist. Could it? Absolutely. OTOH, saying Pegasus the winged horse exists when no proof of it is, of course another story.

Almost sounds like the deity is too stupid and/or desperate and will accept a belief even if it is basically an "insurance belief".

There is nothing stupid or desperate about faith. The same cannot be said about making up theories or explanations about how everything is, was, and has come to be, just to avoid something unexplainable.

I find it pretty amusing that humans are so confident in what happened in the past billions of years and even where everything originated, yet we are unable to resolve basic problems within our own current world and societies. As said before, lots of ego with a lack of intellect is not a good combination.

aklim · #**109** 06-24-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. The bible is good history among other things. Heaven and Hell seem to be useful metaphors, at least some of the time. Whether they exist in any tangible form can never be proved or disproved though I really don't think there's a pit of fire somewhere or the cartoonish cloud strewn paradise cliché.

I see it as little more than a threat to scare you into obedience towards church leaders. Submit or I will rip your nuts off you and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

aklim · #**110** 06-24-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

There is nothing stupid or desperate about faith. The same cannot be said about making up theories or explanations about how everything is, was, and has come to be, just to avoid something unexplainable.

I find it pretty amusing that humans are so confident in what happened in the past billions of years and even where everything originated, yet we are unable to resolve basic problems within our own current world and societies. As said before, lots of ego with a lack of intellect is not a good combination.

Was talking about people who try scare others into believing by saying "if you believe and are wrong, no big deal but if you don't believe and are wrong, you burn in sulfur. Better buy the insurance.

That confidence is not absolute and can change with new facts and techniques. As to solving world problems, I'd say it is more of a problem because we have different agendas.

iwrock · #**111** 06-24-2013, 03:13 PM

I believe Aklim worships the female....

Air&Road · #**112** 06-24-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I see it as little more than a threat to scare you into obedience towards church leaders. Submit or I will rip your nuts off you and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

When was the last time you saw anyone from a Church rip someones balls off? This is getting pretty ridiculous.

aklim · #**113** 06-24-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

When was the last time you saw anyone from a Church rip someones balls off? This is getting pretty ridiculous.

When was the last time you visited heaven or hell? Like I was saying, hell is merely a threat to scare people into compliance.

elchivito · #**114** 06-24-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Science and logic are limited by the capacity of the human mind and are thus a creation of it for our own purposes. Something so many humans automatically assume is that we are the pinnacle of all that could ever exist and that there is no greater level of understanding. What if there are whole dimensions to existence we can neither see/explain/understand?

Maybe humans have Ego's a few sizes too big and brains a few sizes too small.

The atheist argument places its foundations on the idea that we have a solid understanding of everything there is to know, this is essentially a human ego-trip. Believing in God and following a religion is based on faith. I'd rather believe and be wrong than not believe and be wrong. Going by the atheist view of "when dead its all over", then what does it matter if you believed and were wrong? Its not like you get a special treat for it or something.

Cover Your A ss Religion. Going to church in CASE there's a god. I'd wonder if an all seeing and punitive deity wouldn't sorta catch on to that one.

Air&Road · #**115** 06-24-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

When was the last time you visited heaven or hell? Like I was saying, hell is merely a threat to scare people into compliance.

You're one of the good guys on this forum Aklim. It pains me every time you write something like that.

All the best,

P.C. · #**116** 06-24-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Cover Your A ss Religion. Going to church in CASE there's a god. I'd wonder if an all seeing and punitive deity wouldn't sorta catch on to that one.

Didn't the New York Times once inquire if God is dead?

Benz Dr. · #**117** 06-24-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

When was the last time you saw anyone from a Church rip someones balls off? This is getting pretty ridiculous.

Well.........not that I've seen it myself, but I do have good reason to believe that a number of young boys got their balls played with, without being ripped off. Does that count for a close second place?

After all, you wouldn't want to hurt the goose that you can lay over and over again..........

aklim · #**118** 06-24-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Cover Your A ss Religion. Going to church in CASE there's a god. I'd wonder if an all seeing and punitive deity wouldn't sorta catch on to that one.

You forgot to add manipulating and coercing to the list of qualities to the deity.

aklim · #**119** 06-24-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Benz Dr.

Well.........not that I've seen it myself, but I do have good reason to believe that a number of young boys got their balls played with, without being ripped off. Does that count for a close second place?

After all, you wouldn't want to hurt the goose that you can lay over and over again..........

Remember, NAMBLA will tell you that kids are not hurt if aadults have sex with kids and therr is a loving relationship involved.

Good one about the goose.

greazzer · #**120** 06-24-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippy

Not if the current results of this poll, along with recent election results represent a trend. I think the highly religious types have realized they are no longer the mainstream and are freaking out about it. Unfortunately, they seem to have effectively taken over the Republican party, much to the party's detriment, which is something Sen. Goldwater warned us about many years ago. I'm curious if the current Republican decline will result in the emergence of a new major party.

You must get all of your news from MSNBC, but that is a different story ...

The vast majority of the USA is Christian, about 75% or 3 out of 4. Does that equal the voting majority ... probably not. No Christian is "freaking out" over the administration. Just a healthy concern because of the increasing number of jabs, slights, and insults towards us Christains. It's very clear that the current agenda by our current "leader" is not so friendly to the Faith. Rather, there seems to be a clear bending over backwards for our islam brothers. I wonder why? For example, the agenda to create a seperate sharia law court is alive in the USA, but I wonder what would happen if our consitutional scholar of a president caught wind of a Canon Law Court being created in the USA? And, we all know what B.O. does if you do not waive the hope and change banner ... one gets targeted by the IRS, DOJ, and the list goes on. 2014 is coming up. If the Republicans, or any party for that matter, can effectively promise more gifts and handouts to the intended audience who coincidentially is also the voting majority, then that party will win. B.O. proved that in 2012.

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